Stark/Baseball officials: "There's no way they would've offered Dunn arbitration" - Page 2 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Johnny Footstool · 08-14-2008, 04:37 PM

Stark, in pursuit of a "story," probably asked J.P. Ricciardi.

edabbs44 · 08-14-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor Shines

And that would be bad for the Reds how, exactly?

Because Cincy doesn't want him around at the price he costs.

Ltlabner · 08-14-2008, 04:41 PM

Dusty would try to pass off blame for a poor season to someone else? Gasp!

RedsManRick · 08-14-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

I'm glad Stark brings this up. I'm sure this was covered in other threads, but since I wasn't around/online around the time this happened, I'll take this opportunity to say I can't believe Baker would pull this kind of BS. Very, very disappointing, and he drops several more notches in my estimation. He's the onfield leader, yet he goes and throws seemingly the whole squad under the bus while taking zero responsibility for the team's poor performance. I supported this guy strongly at the outset, and I've never really bashed any Reds manager, but I gotta say I hope the powers that be are looking at the manager position as one that could be upgraded.

This is EXACTLY what led to the end in Chicago. He was allergic to accepting responsibility for his role in the meltdown. It was Lee's fault for getting hurt. It was Sosa's fault for losing bat speed and developing a temper. It was Prior and Wood's fault for their problems. And it was Hendry's fault for not fixing it. His act got old and he was run out of town. Yes, that's a gross simplification, but this is one of the primary Dusty issues pointed out when he was hired. He's not a guy to help guide the franchise through rough times.

red-in-la · 08-14-2008, 04:45 PM

Whoever.......but just remember that whoever is in control, or whoever's stamp wwe are talking about.....this organization DFA'ed David Ross but Corey Patterson still starts most every day.

Judgement?

BuckeyeRedleg · 08-14-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

Because he could make more (possibly) than as a FA. Many GMs are sour on him.

How so?

3-5 years is greater than 1 year. Adam Dunn is in his prime. What could he possibly gain in signing for one year and then doing 2008 all over again?

Plus, I'm not sold that GM's have soured on him. They didn't sour on Carlos Lee. Besides, all it takes is one GM.

princeton · 08-14-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

I'm not sold that GM's have soured on him. They didn't sour on Carlos Lee.

Carlos Lee is a much better player than Dunn.

redsmetz · 08-14-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

Because he could make more (possibly) than as a FA. Many GMs are sour on him.

I think it's more accurate to say some GM's are sour on him, not many. I think there are a number of teams (and I think we calculated about a third of them in another discussion before the trade) who might have an interest in Dunn.

Yes, it's possible he may have accepted arbitration, but I still believe there will be a market out there for Adam Dunn.

BuckeyeRedleg · 08-14-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by princeton

Carlos Lee is a much better player than Dunn.

In what category? Batting average?

gm · 08-14-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by princeton

Carlos Lee is a much better player than Dunn.

I agree. Ducks on the pond? CL drives 'em in. TPerez with more pop

Falls City Beer · 08-14-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by princeton

Carlos Lee is a much better player than Dunn.

Nonsense.

Reds1 · 08-14-2008, 05:30 PM

As far as why would he take Arb. He probably would get 15-16 milion minimum. I think he wanted a long term deal so I would expect him to go free agent, but if he liked the reds, teamates, etc. he might have said lets give it one more year, but I bet he would have asked around 1st to see what the market is like before he accepted. It's all a mute point now. I'd say we probably did ok on the the trade. If you get better then two draft picks your ok and heck, the money the 1st round picks want these days at least you know more of what you got in the traded players.

deltachi8 · 08-14-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

Because he could make more (possibly) than as a FA. Many GMs are sour on him.

Define "many"...is more than the one north of the border?

RedsManRick · 08-14-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gm

I agree. Ducks on the pond? CL drives 'em in. TPerez with more pop

And Lee has a career .344 OBP. I know it's not the be-all, end-all of stats, but Dunn has 50 points of OPS on Lee. That's a not insignificant difference. I can see arguments suggesting they're comparable, but suggesting Lee is "much better" is a real big stretch. It's not like Lee is a great defender or a terror on the basepaths.

princeton · 08-14-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gm

I agree. Ducks on the pond? CL drives 'em in.

yup, pitchers don't like seeing Lee come up with men on base and game on line. They wish that he were a guy like Adam Dunn instead.

08-14-2008, 04:37 PM	#16
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Stark/Baseball officials: "There's no way they would've offered Dunn arbitration" Stark, in pursuit of a "story," probably asked J.P. Ricciardi. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

08-14-2008, 04:41 PM	#18
Ltlabner 2009: Fail Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 7,441	Re: Stark/Baseball officials: "There's no way they would've offered Dunn arbitration" Dusty would try to pass off blame for a poor season to someone else? Gasp! __________________ a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude. I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

08-14-2008, 04:45 PM	#20
red-in-la Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Santa Paula, CA Posts: 6,536	Re: Stark/Baseball officials: "There's no way they would've offered Dunn arbitration" Whoever.......but just remember that whoever is in control, or whoever's stamp wwe are talking about.....this organization DFA'ed David Ross but Corey Patterson still starts most every day. Judgement? __________________ "Is there a problem officers?"

08-14-2008, 05:30 PM	#27
Reds1 Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 3,440	Re: Stark/Baseball officials: "There's no way they would've offered Dunn arbitration" As far as why would he take Arb. He probably would get 15-16 milion minimum. I think he wanted a long term deal so I would expect him to go free agent, but if he liked the reds, teamates, etc. he might have said lets give it one more year, but I bet he would have asked around 1st to see what the market is like before he accepted. It's all a mute point now. I'd say we probably did ok on the the trade. If you get better then two draft picks your ok and heck, the money the 1st round picks want these days at least you know more of what you got in the traded players. __________________ And This One Belongs to the REDS!!!

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