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Mario-Rijo · 08-19-2008, 04:11 AM

I also agree on Soto and Lotzkar they have that top of the line talent, now what they do with it from here out is the question. I really like Soto's chances as I have stated ad nauseum so I won't go into it again. Lotzkar who knows what with the injury and the simple fact he is so young and still far away developmentally. But I have the highest of hopes for them both obviously.

On Heisey, I agree he has no major weaknesses. However that's a double edged sword because I also don't believe he has any major strengths. What I mean by that is I think he's got average all around talent and very good intangibles. His only major tool is speed and I don't think it's quite at a Freel level, although as Doug stated he uses his speed better than Freel does. I think his ceiling is as a poor man's Denorfia, which makes him a real good 5th OF/pr/late inning defender who should give you a solid AB and won't be a complete stiff up there.

The only problem I have with the list is that Francisco is still on it. The hurdle he has before him is a monstrous one and I would venture to guess that less than 1% of ballplayers with that specific issue never even make it to AAA let alone to the bigs. Yes he has some serious talent and he has time but does he have the patience and discipline to make his weakness just palatable, I don't know but I wouldn't bet on it. Just my 2 cents but I have mostly written him off as nothing more than trade bait. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong.

1 Tool Player · 08-19-2008, 06:03 AM

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I think his ceiling is as a poor man's Denorfia

That's quite a poor man...

SoTxRedsFan · 08-19-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 Tool Player

That's quite a poor man...

AmarilloRed · 08-20-2008, 12:55 AM

I really think Logan Parker should rate some sort of mention. He really is turning it up a notch in Sarasota. It would say a lot about the depth of our farm system if he cannot be mentioned a top prospect.

Patrick Bateman · 08-20-2008, 01:24 AM

I'd have Buck about 10 places higher, but otherwise I think you got things right. Nice work Beni.

Kingspoint · 08-20-2008, 02:30 AM

I do believe that Henry will give us more than Mesoraco or Stubbs ever will. The only problem is, he can't play Center and will arrive in the bigs just before Alonzo, and then there's Votto, Henry, and Alonzo to play 2 spots.

The REDS have some juicy problems in their immediate future....more ready-talent than spots to play people.

kpresidente · 08-24-2008, 02:55 PM

Why doesn't Danny Dorn get more credit? The guy has a .967 OPS in AA @ 23 years old. What does it take to get a A rating?

redhawk61 · 08-24-2008, 02:58 PM

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Why doesn't Danny Dorn get more credit? The guy has a .967 OPS in AA @ 23 years old. What does it take to get a A rating?

be able to hit lefty's...

camisadelgolf · 08-24-2008, 02:58 PM

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Why doesn't Danny Dorn get more credit? The guy has a .967 OPS in AA @ 23 years old. What does it take to get a A rating?

In a nutshell, he was a late-round draft pick, doesn't have much speed, plays poor defense, and can't hit left-handed pitching. Still, there's a lot to like. He's on pretty much everyone's sleeper list.

kpresidente · 08-24-2008, 02:59 PM

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be able to hit lefty's...

Yonder Alonso has an A rating.

*BaseClogger* · 08-24-2008, 03:29 PM

Ramon Ramirez deserves a mention somewhere?

And I agree that Thompson remains a B prospect for now...

gedred69 · 08-24-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

In a nutshell, he was a late-round draft pick, doesn't have much speed, plays poor defense, and can't hit left-handed pitching. Still, there's a lot to like. He's on pretty much everyone's sleeper list.

I asked some time ago of the Minors guru Doug, about Dorn's defense. His answer was that Dorn would definately be an up-grade from Dunn. Extrapolate his numbers for a full season, and he's a 35HR, .265-.285 avg. guy. He's been high on my list for the last 2 years. He did so well in Billings, that he skipped Dayton last year to Sarasota, ending up hot at Chattanooga. He definately has a problem with LH pitching, but if he hadn't been injured early this season, he'd be at Louisville by now, knocking on the Reds' front door.

mth123 · 08-24-2008, 03:39 PM

I'm high on Dorn as well. I have him 7th behind Frazier, Alonso, Soto, Roenicke, Lotzkar and Thompson. I think he's a legit lefty platoon power threat and that isn't a bad thing to have in the system with a number of cheap years ahead.

kpresidente · 08-24-2008, 03:45 PM

Is he really 6'2" - 190?

If he is, you almost have to think he can add some more meat to that frame for even more power, no?

BigRed07 · 08-24-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

In a nutshell, he was a late-round draft pick, doesn't have much speed, plays poor defense, and can't hit left-handed pitching. Still, there's a lot to like. He's on pretty much everyone's sleeper list.

Dorn plays great defense. He gets as good of jumps on balls as Stubbs or Heisey.
He runs good routes to the ball and covers a lot of ground.
He was a 2006 CWS all tourney outfielder because of his great defense. Danny Dorn
can play defense ans has legit power and continues to be under valued. He should be
playing in AAA over Cumberland. He also hit his 22 bomb today.

08-19-2008, 04:11 AM	#31
Mario-Rijo HOF CLASS OF '12 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 8,994	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition I also agree on Soto and Lotzkar they have that top of the line talent, now what they do with it from here out is the question. I really like Soto's chances as I have stated ad nauseum so I won't go into it again. Lotzkar who knows what with the injury and the simple fact he is so young and still far away developmentally. But I have the highest of hopes for them both obviously. On Heisey, I agree he has no major weaknesses. However that's a double edged sword because I also don't believe he has any major strengths. What I mean by that is I think he's got average all around talent and very good intangibles. His only major tool is speed and I don't think it's quite at a Freel level, although as Doug stated he uses his speed better than Freel does. I think his ceiling is as a poor man's Denorfia, which makes him a real good 5th OF/pr/late inning defender who should give you a solid AB and won't be a complete stiff up there. The only problem I have with the list is that Francisco is still on it. The hurdle he has before him is a monstrous one and I would venture to guess that less than 1% of ballplayers with that specific issue never even make it to AAA let alone to the bigs. Yes he has some serious talent and he has time but does he have the patience and discipline to make his weakness just palatable, I don't know but I wouldn't bet on it. Just my 2 cents but I have mostly written him off as nothing more than trade bait. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong. __________________ 2008 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2009 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2010 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." --Woody Hayes

08-20-2008, 12:55 AM	#34
AmarilloRed Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amarillo,Texas Posts: 3,997	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition I really think Logan Parker should rate some sort of mention. He really is turning it up a notch in Sarasota. It would say a lot about the depth of our farm system if he cannot be mentioned a top prospect.

08-20-2008, 01:24 AM	#35
Patrick Bateman One and a half men Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 5,459	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition I'd have Buck about 10 places higher, but otherwise I think you got things right. Nice work Beni.

08-20-2008, 02:30 AM	#36
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,940	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition I do believe that Henry will give us more than Mesoraco or Stubbs ever will. The only problem is, he can't play Center and will arrive in the bigs just before Alonzo, and then there's Votto, Henry, and Alonzo to play 2 spots. The REDS have some juicy problems in their immediate future....more ready-talent than spots to play people. Last edited by Kingspoint; 08-20-2008 at 02:32 AM.

08-24-2008, 02:55 PM	#37
kpresidente Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,421	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition Why doesn't Danny Dorn get more credit? The guy has a .967 OPS in AA @ 23 years old. What does it take to get a A rating?

08-24-2008, 03:29 PM	#41
BaseClogger WOOOOO!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 6,077	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition Ramon Ramirez deserves a mention somewhere? And I agree that Thompson remains a B prospect for now... __________________ "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

08-24-2008, 03:39 PM	#43
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,684	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition I'm high on Dorn as well. I have him 7th behind Frazier, Alonso, Soto, Roenicke, Lotzkar and Thompson. I think he's a legit lefty platoon power threat and that isn't a bad thing to have in the system with a number of cheap years ahead. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

08-24-2008, 03:45 PM	#44
kpresidente Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,421	Re: Reds Top 25 Prospects- August Edition Is he really 6'2" - 190? If he is, you almost have to think he can add some more meat to that frame for even more power, no?

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