If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Kingspoint · 08-22-2008, 08:17 AM

....I think that would give us a chance at an 88 game pace, which should give us a chance come mid-July to make the playoffs.

Our new Outfield, less Junior and Dunn, and if we add Gonzalez, our team ERA should be 1 run lower.

RedLegsToday · 08-22-2008, 08:27 AM

our team ERA should be 1 run lower.

This would make the Reds the best pitching staff in the league. No amount of improved outfield defense is going to do that.

The Reds this year are 14th in runs allowed and 12 in runs scored in the NL. And, get this, they have the 12th best record in the league.

If Harang comes back strong next year, the Reds may be about to get to middle of the pack in NL era, but, that's a big if right now. Lowe would certainly help, but, do you really want to spend 11-12 million a year on a 35 year old starting pitcher?

redhawk61 · 08-22-2008, 08:50 AM

The pitcher I really want the resd to go after, who probably will be cheaper than some others is Oliver Perez. Could be a solid 3-4 lefty for us for a couple of years.

redsbuckeye · 08-22-2008, 08:51 AM

Absolutely not. Not only will he command a high salary, but his good numbers have come in a very pitcher friendly park. He's also 35 and probably about ready to hit his decline phase.

schmidty622 · 08-22-2008, 08:55 AM

A park being "pitcher friendly" would not matter as much for Lowe as his ground ball to fly ball rates are astronomical.

A career Gb/Fb rate of 3.29 is absolutely the kind of pitcher that would fit in at Great American.

redsbuckeye · 08-22-2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schmidty622

A park being "pitcher friendly" would not matter as much for Lowe as his ground ball to fly ball rates are astronomical.

A career Gb/Fb rate of 3.29 is absolutely the kind of pitcher that would fit in at Great American.

That's not the way it works, it gives up less runs overall.

And don't address the salary, age and decline nature of the age and the supposed youth movement going on for that matter.

TheBigLebowski · 08-22-2008, 09:08 AM

The thought of paying Derek Lowe a lot of money makes me ill.

ChatterRed · 08-22-2008, 09:09 AM

From what I've heard from insiders, the freed up payroll is going directly to sign more pitching, and possibly an impact bat for the offense.

Promises, promises.

BLEEDS · 08-22-2008, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChatterRed

From what I've heard from insiders, the freed up payroll is going directly to sign more pitching, and possibly an impact bat for the offense.

Links?

Of course that's what we NEED - we needed that this past off-season too. We got Josh Fogg and Corey Patterson.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

sammonator · 08-22-2008, 09:29 AM

Volquez
Harang
Cueto
Arroyo
Owings

How about that. That looks like a good rotation to me, as long as Harang can get it back. I see no need to spend 10 million on another pitcher when your #5 starter will probably be Micah Owings. I say we get a impact bat for LF. How about Manny Ramirez? Trade for Holliday? We also need a leadoff man. How about a trade for Pierre assuming the Dodgers pay most of his remaining salary.

Pierre CF
Phillips 2b
Bruce RF
Ramirez/Holliday LF
Votto 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Castillo/Hannigan C
Gonzalez SS

Bench
Freel, Keppinger, Valentin, Dickerson

redsbuckeye · 08-22-2008, 09:38 AM

No way Ramirez ever comes to the Reds. I'd be all for it, but it's just not happening. He's going to be making 25 mil per year. The Reds aren't going to spend that on one player.

Holliday is nice but I suspect is numbers are inflated by Coors Field. He'd still probably be a nice fit on the team but another team will outbid the Reds.

Nasty_Boy · 08-22-2008, 10:04 AM

We still wouldn't score enough. Offense is a must especially in GABP! The Reds could make do without HRs if they brought in some high OBP guys. Hopefully the BP/Dusty philosiphy doesn't infect the team again next season.

Ahhhorsepoo · 08-22-2008, 11:18 AM

you all seem to forget we have to overpay for an athlete.. especially after this year.. the extra money is the only way a FA will come to this abysmal team..

Orodle · 08-22-2008, 11:26 AM

Pierre is not a good leadoff hitter...hes just fast

BLEEDS · 08-22-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orodle

Pierre is not a good leadoff hitter...hes just fast

Well you know, according to Dusty and Dustypoo, they are one in the same...

PEACE

-BLEEDS

08-22-2008, 08:17 AM	#1
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,954	If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? ....I think that would give us a chance at an 88 game pace, which should give us a chance come mid-July to make the playoffs. Our new Outfield, less Junior and Dunn, and if we add Gonzalez, our team ERA should be 1 run lower.

08-22-2008, 08:27 AM	#2
RedLegsToday Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fairfield, OH Posts: 545	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? our team ERA should be 1 run lower. This would make the Reds the best pitching staff in the league. No amount of improved outfield defense is going to do that. The Reds this year are 14th in runs allowed and 12 in runs scored in the NL. And, get this, they have the 12th best record in the league. If Harang comes back strong next year, the Reds may be about to get to middle of the pack in NL era, but, that's a big if right now. Lowe would certainly help, but, do you really want to spend 11-12 million a year on a 35 year old starting pitcher?

08-22-2008, 08:50 AM	#3
redhawk61 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 1,064	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? The pitcher I really want the resd to go after, who probably will be cheaper than some others is Oliver Perez. Could be a solid 3-4 lefty for us for a couple of years.

08-22-2008, 08:51 AM	#4
redsbuckeye Next Year Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Loveland Posts: 436	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? Absolutely not. Not only will he command a high salary, but his good numbers have come in a very pitcher friendly park. He's also 35 and probably about ready to hit his decline phase. __________________ Required Reading

08-22-2008, 09:08 AM	#7
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,819	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? The thought of paying Derek Lowe a lot of money makes me ill. __________________ Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

08-22-2008, 08:55 AM	#5
schmidty622 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,118	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? A park being "pitcher friendly" would not matter as much for Lowe as his ground ball to fly ball rates are astronomical. A career Gb/Fb rate of 3.29 is absolutely the kind of pitcher that would fit in at Great American. __________________ @#$% my @#$%^& Last edited by schmidty622; 08-22-2008 at 08:57 AM.*

08-22-2008, 09:09 AM	#8
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? From what I've heard from insiders, the freed up payroll is going directly to sign more pitching, and possibly an impact bat for the offense. Promises, promises. __________________ Who's on first?

08-22-2008, 09:29 AM	#10
sammonator Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 88	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? Volquez Harang Cueto Arroyo Owings How about that. That looks like a good rotation to me, as long as Harang can get it back. I see no need to spend 10 million on another pitcher when your #5 starter will probably be Micah Owings. I say we get a impact bat for LF. How about Manny Ramirez? Trade for Holliday? We also need a leadoff man. How about a trade for Pierre assuming the Dodgers pay most of his remaining salary. Pierre CF Phillips 2b Bruce RF Ramirez/Holliday LF Votto 1b Encarnacion 3b Castillo/Hannigan C Gonzalez SS Bench Freel, Keppinger, Valentin, Dickerson

08-22-2008, 09:38 AM	#11
redsbuckeye Next Year Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Loveland Posts: 436	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? No way Ramirez ever comes to the Reds. I'd be all for it, but it's just not happening. He's going to be making 25 mil per year. The Reds aren't going to spend that on one player. Holliday is nice but I suspect is numbers are inflated by Coors Field. He'd still probably be a nice fit on the team but another team will outbid the Reds. __________________ Required Reading

08-22-2008, 10:04 AM	#12
Nasty_Boy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 1st Place... Finally Posts: 1,130	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? We still wouldn't score enough. Offense is a must especially in GABP! The Reds could make do without HRs if they brought in some high OBP guys. Hopefully the BP/Dusty philosiphy doesn't infect the team again next season.

08-22-2008, 11:18 AM	#13
Ahhhorsepoo Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 866	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? you all seem to forget we have to overpay for an athlete.. especially after this year.. the extra money is the only way a FA will come to this abysmal team..

08-22-2008, 11:26 AM	#14
Orodle Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 539	Re: If we added Lowe, could we compete for a playoff spot next season? Pierre is not a good leadoff hitter...hes just fast

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