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Elijah Dukes - Discuss
We can all agree that baseball is WAY different than the back and forth sports, and the "code" is a vague and long standing tradition and is a large slice of the oft used term, "Playing the game the right way"
Apparently Duke is causing strife with his approach to the game. http://tinyurl.com/5stads Quote:
FYI here are the only two players to achieve close to what Boswell calls a Total Superstar. Code:
SEASON HITS >= 190 HOMERUNS >= 35 DOUBLES > 40 STOLEN BASES >= 30 RBI >= 110 AGE YEAR AGE H HR 2B SB RBI 1 Ellis Burks 1996 31 211 40 45 32 128 2 Larry Walker 1997 30 208 49 46 33 130 |
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
Kind of reminds me of Jose Guillen. I imagine Mr. Dukes isn't going to stick around with one team for very long.
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
How did his teammates not tell him to expect one in his ribs? I guess when you have your whole team being less than 30 years old on average?
You think someone would point out to him that he is bush....but i doubt he cares. |
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
Albert Belle topped out at 23 stolen bases.
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
I know when I went down to GABP and saw the Nats play the Reds, I was very impressed with Duke. Both at-bat and in the field. Some guys you see play and just say "dang, this guy has it". Absolute bolts off his bat, great coverage in CF, and the guy played *hard*.
But all the rest of the behavioral stuff is going to bleed his career if he doesn't get a handle on it. It sounds like the Nats are doing everything they can to put a lid on his behavior, but you can only do so much. Blowing kisses after a HR is going to get you a fastball in the ribs. Do it again and it may be at your noggin. And his teammates will put up with it only for a while. It's up to him if he wants a All Star career or (like Chip said) a Jose Guillen-level one.
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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... Dukes looks like a combination of Milton Bradley and Jose Guillen DNA. Neither of those two has been able to overcome their personal demons. I'm hoping Dukes will turn out differently, but the odds are not in his favor.
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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SEASON HOMERUNS >= 35 DOUBLES >= 40 HITS >= 200 RBI >= 110 STOLEN BASES displayed only--not a sorting criteria AGE YEAR AGE HR 2B H RBI SB 1 Rogers Hornsby 1929 33 39 47 229 149 2 T2 Lou Gehrig 1934 31 49 40 210 165 9 T2 Albert Belle 1998 31 49 48 200 152 6 T2 Ellis Burks 1996 31 40 45 211 128 32 T5 Ripper Collins 1934 30 35 40 200 128 2 T5 Larry Walker 1997 30 49 46 208 130 33 7 Rogers Hornsby 1925 29 39 41 203 143 5 T8 Babe Ruth 1923 28 41 45 205 131 17 T8 Al Simmons 1930 28 36 41 211 165 9 T8 Stan Musial 1949 28 36 41 207 123 3 T11 Lou Gehrig 1930 27 41 42 220 174 12 T11 Chuck Klein 1932 27 38 50 226 137 20 T11 Babe Herman 1930 27 35 48 241 130 18 T11 Matt Holliday 2007 27 36 50 216 137 11 T11 Stan Musial 1948 27 39 46 230 131 7 T16 Hank Greenberg 1937 26 40 49 200 183 8 T16 Babe Ruth 1921 26 59 44 204 171 17 T16 Frank Robinson 1962 26 39 51 208 136 18 T16 Todd Helton 2000 26 42 59 216 147 5 T16 Rogers Hornsby 1922 26 42 46 250 152 17 T21 Chuck Klein 1930 25 40 59 250 170 4 T21 Hank Aaron 1959 25 39 46 223 123 8 T23 Lou Gehrig 1927 24 47 52 218 175 10 T23 Chuck Klein 1929 24 43 45 219 145 5 T23 Hank Greenberg 1935 24 36 46 203 170 4 T23 Don Mattingly 1985 24 35 48 211 145 2 T27 Hal Trosky 1936 23 42 45 216 162 6 T27 Albert Pujols 2003 23 43 51 212 124 5 29 Hal Trosky 1934 21 35 45 206 142 2 30 Alex Rodriguez 1996 20 36 54 215 123 15 |
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
I really would love to see the numbers Belle would have put up in 1995 with the extra 18 games lost to the strike. He would likely have come close to but still short of the 200 hits for the above list but how high the 50 hrs and 52 doubles would have been would have interesting.
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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AGE YEAR AGE HR 2B H RBI SB T8 Stan Musial 1949 28 36 41 207 123 3 T11 Stan Musial 1948 27 39 46 230 131 7 T16 Frank Robinson 1962 26 39 51 208 136 18 T21 Hank Aaron 1959 25 39 46 223 123 8 T23 Don Mattingly 1985 24 35 48 211 145 2 |
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
Baseball history is replete with superstars who were difficult personalities, head cases, and downright SOBs to the fans, their teammates, and the media.
Babe Ruth made rude gestures to fans and even went into the stands once after one. The list is enormous. The difference between now and then though, IMHO, is the media, and the amount of exposure these situations would get. They didn't have ESPN back then. ![]() When I look at guys like a Belle, Guillen, Dukes,and so many others with similar traits/personalities, it makes me wonder what makes them that emotional ticking time bomb? Their background environment, and how they were raised? It always seems to point to a maturity issue that leads to this self-destructive behavior. Team shrink time?
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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: He was a former Red and I believe he was with the Angels when he was suspended for something or other. Miller and the Players Association fought the suspension and eventually found out that Johnson had some kind of chemical imbalance that made hem act the way he did. Perhaps players like Dukes and Guillen have some sort of problem like that. But if they do, will the meds hamper their performance(s)?
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
From the original article:
"But they can't steal 30 bases or possess a cannon arm." That's some piss-poor sentence construction from a professional writer. |
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
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Re: Elijah Duke - Discuss
Not sure about the rest of you, but Dukes is the kind of talent this roster desperately needs.
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