A mystery team has offered Furcal 3 yrs 39 million..hmmmm could it be the Reds??

[HokieRed]

To improve the left side, I'd much prefer a deal for Beltre with Agon at SS if he can go.

[M2]

Originally Posted by NJReds

Maybe the Mets want Furcal to play 2B?

Interesting notion. That might explain why Furcal wouldn't have taken a 3-year, $39M deal. Moneywise I doubt he'll do better than that. Then again, seeing that Scott Boras is his agent, that "offer" might have come from a hot dog vendor in San Diego.

[15fan]

Nooooo thanks.

Based on the way he was handled while he was here in Atlanta, I definitely had the sense that Furcal's mind wasn't always in the game. Braves seemed awfully willing to let him go. Guy had/has talent, but I'd rather have Eric Milton back for another 3 year / $27 million deal and $12 million left over to fill another need.

[Spitball]

Originally Posted by The_jbh

Yunel Escobar... I'd be interested in!

Not me unless the asking price is minimal. The guy's defense is not that great, and he tends to get injured.

Sep 29, 2008: Missed the last 5 games of the regular season (hamstring).
Sep 23, 2008: Hamstring, day-to-day.
Sep 21, 2008: Missed 1 game (hamstring).
Sep 20, 2008: Hamstring, day-to-day.
Jul 22, 2008: Missed 7 games (left shoulder injury).
Jul 11, 2008: Left shoulder injury, day-to-day.
Jul 2, 2008: Missed 5 games (left shoulder injury).
Jun 25, 2008: Left shoulder injury, day-to-day.
Jun 23, 2008: Missed 1 game (hip flexor).
Jun 22, 2008: Hip flexor, day-to-day.
May 23, 2008: Missed 2 games (right knee injury).
May 21, 2008: Right knee injury, day-to-day.
Apr 29, 2008: Missed 1 game (finger injury).

[Blitz Dorsey]

Alex Gonzalez needs to take up yoga or something. Dude is way too young to be breaking down. He needs to take better care of his body. What a bust that guy has been.

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by Spitball

Not me unless the asking price is minimal. The guy's defense is not that great, and he tends to get injured.

Sep 29, 2008: Missed the last 5 games of the regular season (hamstring).
Sep 23, 2008: Hamstring, day-to-day.
Sep 21, 2008: Missed 1 game (hamstring).
Sep 20, 2008: Hamstring, day-to-day.
Jul 22, 2008: Missed 7 games (left shoulder injury).
Jul 11, 2008: Left shoulder injury, day-to-day.
Jul 2, 2008: Missed 5 games (left shoulder injury).
Jun 25, 2008: Left shoulder injury, day-to-day.
Jun 23, 2008: Missed 1 game (hip flexor).
Jun 22, 2008: Hip flexor, day-to-day.
May 23, 2008: Missed 2 games (right knee injury).
May 21, 2008: Right knee injury, day-to-day.
Apr 29, 2008: Missed 1 game (finger injury).

How many of these injuries are nagging injuries as opposed to serious injuries? He had a knee injury that healed up then a hip flexor. Next a left shoulder injury followed by a hammy. Non of which sent him to the DL and non of which that cost him to miss more than 7 games. I really wouldn't worry too much about these injuries until you see on particular injury over an over again.

[osuceltic]

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

How many of these injuries are nagging injuries as opposed to serious injuries? He had a knee injury that healed up then a hip flexor. Next a left shoulder injury followed by a hammy. Non of which sent him to the DL and non of which that cost him to miss more than 7 games. I really wouldn't worry too much about these injuries until you see on particular injury over an over again.

I think the point is he seems awfully willing to miss a game for what most would consider minor injuries. Those kinds of guys are trouble.

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by osuceltic

I think the point is he seems awfully willing to miss a game for what most would consider minor injuries. Those kinds of guys are trouble.

Really? Because we know how much he was injured? He played just under 140 games in his first full major league season. I see nothing wrong with him taking a day off or missing a few games because of a nagging injury.

[westofyou]

Originally Posted by osuceltic

I think the point is he seems awfully willing to miss a game for what most would consider minor injuries. Those kinds of guys are trouble.

Hinge injuries, baseball is a game of bending, gripping, torquing and accelerating.. all really hard acts when your knees, shoulders and hips aren't working.

Unless you have his medical charts everything aside from what we know is conjecture, including calling them minor.

[RedEye]

Originally Posted by 15fan

Nooooo thanks.

Based on the way he was handled while he was here in Atlanta, I definitely had the sense that Furcal's mind wasn't always in the game. Braves seemed awfully willing to let him go. Guy had/has talent, but I'd rather have Eric Milton back for another 3 year / $27 million deal and $12 million left over to fill another need.

What? You'd rather have the human batting tee back for three more years than invest in a SS who fills major needs (defense, leadoff)? That's crazy talk. With Milton, you'd just be flushing the $27 mill down the drain. At least with Furcal you'd have a chance to get return on the investment! Not to mention you are basing your entire argument on an anecdotal idea that Furcal's "mind wasn't always in the game." Shouldn't the Reds be basing their decisions on more tangible measures of performance?

[Spitball]

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

How many of these injuries are nagging injuries as opposed to serious injuries? He had a knee injury that healed up then a hip flexor. Next a left shoulder injury followed by a hammy. Non of which sent him to the DL and non of which that cost him to miss more than 7 games. I really wouldn't worry too much about these injuries until you see on particular injury over an over again.

Sorry, but I don't see your logic here. The guy missed more than twenty games due to injuries and obviously played in many games in which he was nursing injuries. Neither nagging injuries nor disabled list injuries are positives. Besides, he reminds me of Felipe Lopez. If this guy was a quality shortstop, the Braves wouldn't be willing to move him.

[redsfan4445]

here is mention of a "Mystery" team again!!
MLBtraderumors.com
""8:35pm: According to Jeff Passan, Furcal has been offered many three-year deals, but he wants a four-year contract. Furcal's agent, Paul Kinzer confirmed that the Orioles, Braves, Giants, Cubs, Dodgers and A's are interested, along with one unnamed "mystery" team."

[BRM]

Furcal report from Dominican "untrue"
From Chronicle Staff Writer Susan Slusser

Los Angeles papers have picked up on a report in El Caribe that the A's have offered free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal a four-year, $48 million deal that could be as much as $50 million with incentives.
A well-placed A's source tells me this is "untrue."

How untrue? Hard to say. That could just mean a million or two either way, or it could mean it's way off the mark.

There's no doubt the A's are making a strong push for Furcal. Several weeks ago, there was a report that one team had a three-year, $39 million offer on the table for him. It's highly conceivable that the A's, with no outstanding shortstop prospects anywhere near the upper levels of the system and Bobby Crosby a free agent after this season, would offer Furcal four years, but $48 million does sound a little high.

I'd imagine when the dust settles that Oakland if does win out on the bidding for Furcal (and this is sheerly my own speculation) that $48 million might be possible with incentives, but the guaranteed salary would probably be more in the $44 million range.

[NJReds]

Originally Posted by redsfan4445

here is mention of a "Mystery" team again!!
MLBtraderumors.com
""8:35pm: According to Jeff Passan, Furcal has been offered many three-year deals, but he wants a four-year contract. Furcal's agent, Paul Kinzer confirmed that the Orioles, Braves, Giants, Cubs, Dodgers and A's are interested, along with one unnamed "mystery" team."

I really do think that Omar is trying to convince him to play 2B for the Mets. Just a guess, really, but it makes sense. The Mets have the money and a gaping hole at the postion. The top of the Mets lineup would be Reyes, Furcal, Beltran, Wright, Delgado ... not bad.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Reds have inquired about Furcal but talks don't plan to get far..

MLBTR.com