Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Ghosts of 1990 · 12-09-2008, 06:03 PM

Thoughts?

Maybe Adam would come back to Cincinnati.

Don't shoot me for holding out hope...

redsfandan · 12-09-2008, 06:07 PM

i think we have to consider the source but for one year i'd take him at that price.

Ghosts of 1990 · 12-09-2008, 06:09 PM

I'd like to give him $45 Million for 5 years

Emin3mShady07 · 12-09-2008, 06:14 PM

I'd want Dunn to sign with Cincinnati or Chicago (White Sox that is). He is such a good fit in chicago it isn't funny. We are going to trade dye so Dunn's bat fills that void and their defense is equally bad so no loss there. Then next year Thome leaves and Dunn slides to DH ensuring the White Sox have a LH power hitter for at least three years after Thome's departure. As for Cincy, signing Dunn gives them another power hitter and I'm not a big believer in signing or trading for a guy just because of handedness. A good LH hitter is better any day of the week than a crappy RH bat. even if it were a RH bat like Dye, Dye is getting old and who knows how much longer he will be productive. Dunn is a safer option than Dye and the reds would not have to give up Homer Bailey for him.

redsfandan · 12-09-2008, 06:20 PM

i can understand 2 years but 5? we'll have someone up within 2 years to play left who will cost a fraction of a fraction of what dunn will cost.

Redsnake · 12-09-2008, 06:30 PM

Dunn does put fans in the seats and he all know the 40, 100 and 100 stats. So I would be all for him returning. Oh course if there were other options I would have to think.

In this order
Mags
Del. Young
Kemp
Rios
Bradley
Dunn
Francouer
Dye
Ibanez

BRM13 · 12-09-2008, 06:49 PM

That is very interesting if it turns out to be true. Rodriguez just signed to close for the Mets for 3 yrs at 37+ million depending on some incentives. That makes Dunn worth about 2/3 of a good closer.

Does that sound right? Rodriguez is younger and has been very good. OTOH, he is a bit of an injury risk with his mechanics. Also, as with all relievers you are paying for relatively few innings of excellent pitching. Albeit, high leverage innings.

Also, it looks like the market is weak for free agents in general. Rodriguez is closer to his prime than Rivera or Wagner and they each got more per year a couple years ago. Dunn is facing a tough market. At $8 million that puts him in the range of what the Reds will be paying their new catcher. Does that sound right?

gedred69 · 12-09-2008, 08:46 PM

I can not believe I could agree with Gammons on anything. But then, he is just stating the obvious.

TheBigLebowski · 12-09-2008, 08:53 PM

I'm certainly not the biggest Dunn fan around but I'd jump at the chance to sign him for 8 mil. Especially because it's not my money.

TheNext44 · 12-09-2008, 10:30 PM

If the Reds can get Dunn to be their leftfielder for under $10M a year and less than 3 years, then they would be idiots not to jump on it. But Walt said today that the Reds have not even talked to Dunn, and that they were looking for a RH bat.

I think that is just code for them not wanting Dunn at all, since Dunn hits lefties pretty good. Urrrgggghhhh. It will be interesting who the Reds get to be his replacement and how he does compared to Dunn next year. I doubt the replacement will hit 40 homers and OPS over 900.

Ghosts of 1990 · 12-09-2008, 11:26 PM

I guess the market for corner outfielders is really bad I heard on baseball tonight last night.

Bip Roberts · 12-09-2008, 11:28 PM

Defense compared to Power normally comes at a lot cheaper for equivalent value

E. Davis 44 · 12-09-2008, 11:34 PM

sorry guys but the Dunn ship has sailed....he is not coming back

Steviejoe · 12-09-2008, 11:58 PM

All ships land somewhere,but some sink too.I like not only for his bat,but his care of his fans,such as the little leager from Kentucky who he had in the dugout,signed balls,uniform and other things.The little leaguer only has on leg and plays his heart out daily.Some other reds players could play that by example.If you bring him back,do it for a tleast two years,or a 1 year with optioned that has to be met by his stats.But i belive Walt wavied goodbye when he left to sail.

redsfandan · 12-10-2008, 12:14 AM

it's not often that a player is traded and returns in the offseason. even at $8 million it's not a given that we'd be able to afford him. if hairston is back than we'll probably have $10 million left for the outfielder and reliever so the outlook of a trade for the outfielder is starting to look a little more realistic.

12-09-2008, 06:03 PM	#1
Ghosts of 1990 The Future is Now Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,899	Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" Thoughts? Maybe Adam would come back to Cincinnati. Don't shoot me for holding out hope... __________________ 2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4 2013 Attendance Record: 5-1

12-09-2008, 06:07 PM	#2
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,371	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" i think we have to consider the source but for one year i'd take him at that price. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

12-09-2008, 06:09 PM	#3
Ghosts of 1990 The Future is Now Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,899	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" I'd like to give him $45 Million for 5 years __________________ 2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4 2013 Attendance Record: 5-1

12-09-2008, 06:14 PM	#4
Emin3mShady07 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lake Orion, MI Posts: 454	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" I'd want Dunn to sign with Cincinnati or Chicago (White Sox that is). He is such a good fit in chicago it isn't funny. We are going to trade dye so Dunn's bat fills that void and their defense is equally bad so no loss there. Then next year Thome leaves and Dunn slides to DH ensuring the White Sox have a LH power hitter for at least three years after Thome's departure. As for Cincy, signing Dunn gives them another power hitter and I'm not a big believer in signing or trading for a guy just because of handedness. A good LH hitter is better any day of the week than a crappy RH bat. even if it were a RH bat like Dye, Dye is getting old and who knows how much longer he will be productive. Dunn is a safer option than Dye and the reds would not have to give up Homer Bailey for him. __________________ Baseball is not necessarily an obsessive-compulsive disorder, like washing your hands 100 times a day, but it's beginning to seem that way. We're reaching the point where you can be a truly dedicated, state-of-the-art fan or you can have a life. Take your pick. ~Thomas Boswell Having a life is overrated.

12-09-2008, 06:20 PM	#5
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,371	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" i can understand 2 years but 5? we'll have someone up within 2 years to play left who will cost a fraction of a fraction of what dunn will cost. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

12-09-2008, 06:30 PM	#6
Redsnake Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 389	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" Dunn does put fans in the seats and he all know the 40, 100 and 100 stats. So I would be all for him returning. Oh course if there were other options I would have to think. In this order Mags Del. Young Kemp Rios Bradley Dunn Francouer Dye Ibanez

12-09-2008, 06:49 PM	#7
BRM13 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 88	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" That is very interesting if it turns out to be true. Rodriguez just signed to close for the Mets for 3 yrs at 37+ million depending on some incentives. That makes Dunn worth about 2/3 of a good closer. Does that sound right? Rodriguez is younger and has been very good. OTOH, he is a bit of an injury risk with his mechanics. Also, as with all relievers you are paying for relatively few innings of excellent pitching. Albeit, high leverage innings. Also, it looks like the market is weak for free agents in general. Rodriguez is closer to his prime than Rivera or Wagner and they each got more per year a couple years ago. Dunn is facing a tough market. At $8 million that puts him in the range of what the Reds will be paying their new catcher. Does that sound right?

12-09-2008, 08:46 PM	#8
gedred69 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: way-east of cincinnati Posts: 1,158	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" I can not believe I could agree with Gammons on anything. But then, he is just stating the obvious.

12-09-2008, 08:53 PM	#9
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,819	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" I'm certainly not the biggest Dunn fan around but I'd jump at the chance to sign him for 8 mil. Especially because it's not my money. __________________ Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

12-09-2008, 10:30 PM	#10
TheNext44 Socratic Gadfly Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,224	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" If the Reds can get Dunn to be their leftfielder for under $10M a year and less than 3 years, then they would be idiots not to jump on it. But Walt said today that the Reds have not even talked to Dunn, and that they were looking for a RH bat. I think that is just code for them not wanting Dunn at all, since Dunn hits lefties pretty good. Urrrgggghhhh. It will be interesting who the Reds get to be his replacement and how he does compared to Dunn next year. I doubt the replacement will hit 40 homers and OPS over 900.

12-09-2008, 11:26 PM	#11
Ghosts of 1990 The Future is Now Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,899	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" I guess the market for corner outfielders is really bad I heard on baseball tonight last night. __________________ 2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4 2013 Attendance Record: 5-1

12-09-2008, 11:28 PM	#12
Bip Roberts Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,189	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" Defense compared to Power normally comes at a lot cheaper for equivalent value

12-09-2008, 11:34 PM	#13
E. Davis 44 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" sorry guys but the Dunn ship has sailed....he is not coming back

12-09-2008, 11:58 PM	#14
Steviejoe Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: somerset,ky Posts: 41	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" All ships land somewhere,but some sink too.I like not only for his bat,but his care of his fans,such as the little leager from Kentucky who he had in the dugout,signed balls,uniform and other things.The little leaguer only has on leg and plays his heart out daily.Some other reds players could play that by example.If you bring him back,do it for a tleast two years,or a 1 year with optioned that has to be met by his stats.But i belive Walt wavied goodbye when he left to sail.

12-10-2008, 12:14 AM	#15
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,371	Re: Gammons: "Dunn will struggle to get $8 million from a contending team" it's not often that a player is traded and returns in the offseason. even at $8 million it's not a given that we'd be able to afford him. if hairston is back than we'll probably have $10 million left for the outfielder and reliever so the outlook of a trade for the outfielder is starting to look a little more realistic. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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