Redszone Dynasty League - Discussion Thread

[nate]

I would propose this for hitters:

BA either stays the same or becomes OBP
RBI changes to SLG

For pitchers, it's hard to say. I would prefer FIP to ERA but beyond that, I'm not sure what works to replace team stats like Wins and Saves.

[nate]

Another thought, RBI becomes OBI% which is the percentage of baserunners scored.

[redsfandan]

It kinda seems like you two (nate & trf) need to put your heads together about what kind of stat changes you'd like exactly and how to convince the league to make a switch. I'm not THAT much of a stat geek and OBI% is a new one to me. I also don't think it's a possibility. Here are the possible stat categories in yahoo:


Batters

Games Played
Games Started
At Bats
Runs
Hits
Singles
Doubles
Triples
Home Runs
Runs Batted In
Sacrifice Hits
Sacrifice Flys
Stolen Bases
Caught Stealing
Walks
Intentional Walks
Hit By Pitch
Strikeouts
Ground Into Double Play
Total Bases
Putouts
Assists
Errors
Fielding Percentage
Batting Average
On-base Percentage
Slugging Percentage
On-base + Slugging Percentage
Extra Base Hits
Net Stolen Bases
Stolen Base Percentage
Hitting for the Cycle
Plate Appearances
Grand Slam Home Runs
Outfield Assists
Double Plays Turned
Catcher Interference

Pitchers

Pitching Appearances
Games Started
Innings Pitched
Wins
Losses
Complete Games
Shutouts
Saves
Outs
Hits
Total Batters Faced
Runs
Earned Runs
Home Runs
Walks
Intentional Walks
Hit Batters
Strikeouts
Wild Pitches
Balks
Stolen Bases Allowed
Batters Grounded Into Double Plays
Save Chances
Holds
Total Bases Allowed
Earned Run Average
(Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched
Strikeouts per Walk Ratio
Strikeouts per Nine Innings
Pitch Count
Singles Allowed
Doubles Allowed
Triples Allowed
Relief Wins
Relief Losses
Pickoffs
Relief Appearances
On-base Percentage Against
Winning Percentage
Hits Per Nine Innings
Walks Per Nine Innings
No Hitters
Perfect Games
Save Percentage
Inherited Runners Scored
Quality Starts
Blown Saves
Net Saves

Keep in mind that the league was created as a basic fantasy baseball league. If you make any proposed changes too 'sabremetric' there's bound to be some opposition. That's just reality.

[nate]

I'm not sure I directly want "sabremetric," I just want to increase the number of stats that are less team and more player dependent; I think it makes the league more interesting.

From that list, I like:

BATTERS
Hit type (either each type or maybe hits and extra-base hits)
BA
OBP
SLG

PITCHERS
BB/9
K/9
WHIP (not my favorite but OK)

[AtomicDumpling]

Eight owners have officially signed in to the league so far. I am entering the rosters for each team as the owners join. Unfortunately you won't be able see your players on your team page until I enter the rosters for every team and officially "Begin the Season" as Yahoo terms it. So as soon as all twelve owners are signed up you will be able to start evaluating your team and it's strengths and weaknesses.

Still waiting for WMR, camisadelgolf, gilpdawg and Reds77. I emailed them and PMed them, so hopefully they will get logged in soon.

[camisadelgolf]

I'm in.

[redsfandan]

Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling

Unfortunately you won't be able see your players on your team page until I enter the rosters for every team and officially "Begin the Season" as Yahoo terms it. So as soon as all twelve owners are signed up you will be able to start evaluating your team and it's strengths and weaknesses.

Although people can always go to the league home page and click on the drop down box to season 2009.

[mbgrayson]

Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling

I vote to keep the stats as they are.

I agree. This is a dynasty league. We picked players with a known set of stats that were going to be used. To change those stats now really changes the whole basis of the league.

I personally like many of the sabermetric stats, and I agree that they are better measures of real player value. But if I drafted a guy who will gets 'wins' because he is on a winning team that scores a lot of runs, just for getting points in the 'Wins' category, I would feel ripped off if 'wins' were replaced by a better stat.

I think the stats should be discussed and agreed on when a dynasty league is formed, not a year after the players were drafted.

[nate]

Originally Posted by mbgrayson

I agree. This is a dynasty league. We picked players with a known set of stats that were going to be used. To change those stats now really changes the whole basis of the league.

I personally like many of the sabermetric stats, and I agree that they are better measures of real player value. But if I drafted a guy who will gets 'wins' because he is on a winning team that scores a lot of runs, just for getting points in the 'Wins' category, I would feel ripped off if 'wins' were replaced by a better stat.

I think the stats should be discussed and agreed on when a dynasty league is formed, not a year after the players were drafted.

I don't think changing a few stats would necessitate an extreme roster overhaul. It's likely a pitcher, for example, with a lot of wins is good at either striking out batters or not walking them or both. It's likely that a guy who hits for average has a good OBP. It's likely that a guy who hits HR has a high SLG. It's likely that a guy with a lot of RBI is a good OBP and SLG man.

I can't even remember who I have on my roster but I'm not really concerned about it changing things too much. And if so, that's part of the fun.

[camisadelgolf]

If we agree to change a stat, I think we should wait until 2011 or 2012 to actually implement the change.

[AtomicDumpling]

Still waiting for Reds77 and WMR to sign up for the league. I can't finalize everyone's rosters until all 12 teams have signed up.

[AtomicDumpling]

Everybody has signed in to the league website now. I have entered in the complete rosters for every team in the league. You can now go to your team page and view all your players and set your lineup to see how things are shaping up for your team this year.

You can also go to the free agent list to see which players will be available in the draft this year. Obviously, you are not allowed to pick up any free agents at this time.

Please make sure the email address you have registered with the Yahoo league website is an address you check regularly. I will be sending out league updates periodically with news regarding the draft and any other issues that may come up this spring.

Please also check the Redszone fantasy forum thread and the league website message board on a regular basis for news and chatter. Feel free to post messages with your thoughts about the league, trade needs and any fantasy baseball chitchat.

All team owners are encouraged to begin making trades with other teams to help fill holes in your lineup or improve your squad.

Let's make this a fun, active and vibrant league again this year.

Good luck!

[nate]

Here's an article that offers some food for thought on the issue of OBP vs. BA in fantasy leagues.

[redsfandan]

Thanks for the link nate. I'm all for switching to obp BUT I just wouldn't want the switch to be effective until NEXT year.

[TRF]

So can we trade prior to the draft?