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Mutaman · 06-03-2009, 04:00 PM

It is now official: With Darnell McDonald gone, Willy Taveras has officially become the Red Zoan whipping boy and the source of every problem in the world. Willy joins a list which has included Juan Castro, Jacob Cruz and Corey Patterson. Congradulations Willy.

GIDP · 06-03-2009, 04:02 PM

I felt like I read this before.

Amazingly though Red Zoan does at least pick terrible players to whip.

Mutaman · 06-03-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

Amazingly though Red Zoan does at least pick terrible players to whip.

Just curious: Willy is hitting .260 with a .318 OBP. The Bruce is hitting .220 with a .296 OBP. And neither one can hit the frigging cutoff man. If Willy is so terrible, what does that make Bruce?

GIDP · 06-03-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutaman

Just curious: Willy is hitting .260 with a .318 OBP. The Bruce is hitting .220 with .296 OBP. And neither one can hit the frigging cutoff man. If Willy is so terrible, what does that make Bruce?

Well I see this thread is going places. I'll bow out.

DTCromer · 06-03-2009, 04:42 PM

Bruce was already anointed as the "Golden Boy" even before he came to the majors. Criticizing him is a capital offense as a Reds fan.

GIDP · 06-03-2009, 04:44 PM

Jay is worse than Willy.

Mutaman · 06-03-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DTCromer

Bruce was already anointed as the "Golden Boy" even before he came to the majors. Criticizing him is a capital offense as a Reds fan.

Agreed! And as a Red's fan, I won't criticize him (although Im starting to get a little impatient).

My point is that the Reds have a few more problems than Taveras and replacing Taveras in the lineup isn't going to change much.

Jefferson24 · 06-03-2009, 04:56 PM

Jay has 4 times the number of RBI's that Taveras has. So there is no need to continue comparing their numbers. Apples and Oranges my friends. Two different kinds of offensive players with very different roles. Both need improvement though. The difference is there is a hope for one of the two.

DTCromer · 06-03-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson24

Jay has 4 times the number of RBI's that Taveras has. So there is no need to continue comparing their numbers. Apples and Oranges my friends. Two different kinds of offensive players with very different roles. Both need improvement though. The difference is there is a hope for one of the two.

True, but my concerns over Jay are his walk/K rate and his ability to hit like Dunn w/ RISP.

Jay will be good, but not great.

GIDP · 06-03-2009, 05:02 PM

this thread gets better with every post.

Mutaman · 06-03-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson24

The difference is there is a hope for one of the two.

Which one?

Mutaman · 06-03-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DTCromer

Jay will be good, but not great.

My take: Jay could be great if he would just learn to let the game come to him and take what he is given (which Votto is so good at). On the other hand, Taveras would be a lot better if he would become more agressive.

jfar23 · 06-03-2009, 05:30 PM

There's no need to hate on Willy. He's as good as he's ever going to be. You cannot expect any better than what he is doing now. What people really hate is the fact that the front office made this choice.

kentjett · 06-03-2009, 06:10 PM

What was Votto doing when he was 22 or Jay's age. Bruce is special and everybody knows that. He is close to leading the league in put outs and he is in the top ten in HR. He also plays a damn good right field. With that being said, he needs to be more selective at the plate inorder to get the pitches he needs to get his bat on the ball. I can live w/ Jay putting up the #'s he is while learning. Taveras has riched his peak and is nowhere near Bruce right now.

Natty Redlocks · 06-03-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutaman

Agreed! And as a Red's fan, I won't criticize him (although Im starting to get a little impatient).

My point is that the Reds have a few more problems than Taveras and replacing Taveras in the lineup isn't going to change much.

Lots of people felt that Dickerson would be a better choice for CF than throwing money (which they needed for a LF) at Taveras. They were right.

Comparing Bruce to Taveras in any way just makes you look silly.

06-03-2009, 04:00 PM	#1
Mutaman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,889	It is Now Official! It is now official: With Darnell McDonald gone, Willy Taveras has officially become the Red Zoan whipping boy and the source of every problem in the world. Willy joins a list which has included Juan Castro, Jacob Cruz and Corey Patterson. Congradulations Willy.

06-03-2009, 04:02 PM	#2
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: It is Now Official! I felt like I read this before. Amazingly though Red Zoan does at least pick terrible players to whip.

06-03-2009, 04:42 PM	#5
DTCromer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,325	Re: It is Now Official! Bruce was already anointed as the "Golden Boy" even before he came to the majors. Criticizing him is a capital offense as a Reds fan.

06-03-2009, 04:44 PM	#6
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: It is Now Official! Jay is worse than Willy. Last edited by GIDP; 06-03-2009 at 04:57 PM.

06-03-2009, 04:56 PM	#8
Jefferson24 Plan to be spontaneous Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Illinios Posts: 1,178	Re: It is Now Official! Jay has 4 times the number of RBI's that Taveras has. So there is no need to continue comparing their numbers. Apples and Oranges my friends. Two different kinds of offensive players with very different roles. Both need improvement though. The difference is there is a hope for one of the two. __________________ We only live in patches. - H. G. Wells

06-03-2009, 05:02 PM	#10
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: It is Now Official! this thread gets better with every post.

06-03-2009, 05:30 PM	#13
jfar23 Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 502	Re: It is Now Official! There's no need to hate on Willy. He's as good as he's ever going to be. You cannot expect any better than what he is doing now. What people really hate is the fact that the front office made this choice. __________________ "I was on tour in the US back in '89 and we we did a show in Cincinnati. During that show I shouted out, 'It's great to be in Cincinnati!' That was a lie." -- David Bowie

06-03-2009, 06:10 PM	#14
kentjett Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 79	Re: It is Now Official! What was Votto doing when he was 22 or Jay's age. Bruce is special and everybody knows that. He is close to leading the league in put outs and he is in the top ten in HR. He also plays a damn good right field. With that being said, he needs to be more selective at the plate inorder to get the pitches he needs to get his bat on the ball. I can live w/ Jay putting up the #'s he is while learning. Taveras has riched his peak and is nowhere near Bruce right now.

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