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bubbachunk · 06-09-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Superdude

That's what pissed me off. Leake was definitely not my favorite pick, but I thought they were going to use the money and go after someone big in the supplemental round...and then we drafted a guy named Boxberger over Scheppers? It's just frustrating to know that Crow and Scheppers could both have been had if we weren't so cheap.

Ok I am sick of hear this, why can't it be that the people in the organization just liked the makeup of those guys better?! Everyone has their own opinion and the Reds FO may have a different one than yours. Look back in 4-7 years and then bash them but many people in this thread are being far far to rash.

RedlegJake · 06-09-2009, 11:49 PM

Boxberger is actually similar to Leake - build/projectability, a bit better fastball, less command, not quite as good secondary pitches but still usable, while Leake is probably best case #2-realistic#3 Boxberger looks to me like a best case#3, realistic 4 or 5 with a good chance he ends up a middle reliever. The main knock on him seems to be whether he can maintain his stuff late in games, he did better at it this year but there have been problems with it in his past

fearofpopvol1 · 06-09-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

No one is claiming any "insider" knowledge -- just doing some speculation based on the available information. It seems like, if signability was no concern, the logical pick would've been Crow -- who is almost universally rated as having better stuff than Leake and is more advanced (or, at least simialrly advanced) than Leake in terms of development.

This is completely subjective. Many mock drafts had the Reds previously taking Leake. His numbers for the tough PAC 10 in a hitters park are very impressive. I think the speculation has gotten out of control. And I'm usually pretty critical.

RedsManRick · 06-09-2009, 11:51 PM

Put me in the camp that likes the pick. Unless there's an absolute no-brainer stud, I'd much prefer the high floor guy over the high ceiling one. Four legitimate pitches. Great command. Clean injury history. Works for me.

BearcatShane · 06-09-2009, 11:51 PM

To me, Leake sounds like a very safe pick. I love that, look at the drafts over the last ten years, there is usually 5-9 players who were drafted in round 1 that really did anything. So I think it is smart to take a guy who has a very good chance of being a solid #3 starter over a guy who might be a 1 if he can stay healthy and get better control. Not sure I made sence here but in my own mind I did.

KoryMac5 · 06-09-2009, 11:53 PM

Personally I think they drafted Leake because they know he has a good chance to be ready by 2011. With Harang and Arroyo being dealt this season you are going to need some movers to take their places in the middle of the 2011 rotation. The only pick I think that was a true signability pick was Matzek, and after listening to his interview with Mlb TV I can see why some teams stayed away.

RedlegJake · 06-09-2009, 11:58 PM

Myself I don't mind skipping Crow with his dangerous mechanics, or Scheppers with his shoulder. Those guys weren't signability - they were, imo, simply too high risk for Buckley. Matzek was asking ridiculous money, especially for a high school kid. If he goes Gruler on Colorado that's a ton of cash down the tubes - and its a better bet he flops than he doesn't.

Looks to me the Reds went safe on pitchers and took the gamble on the HS athlete/uber tools but raw Billy Hamilton. The more I look at it the more I like the picks.

jojo · 06-09-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

His scouting report reads like a guy who has already reached his ceiling.

In no way does this read like "best player available" -- it reads like "player who will make it to the bigs quickest."

Reading between the lines- "innings eater".

Caveat Emperor · 06-10-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Reading between the lines- "innings eater".

Meet Bronson Arroyo v. 2.0?

Can he play guitar?

jojo · 06-10-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Meet Bronson Arroyo v. 2.0?

Can he play guitar?

Bronson with ground ball tendencies perhaps.

Mario-Rijo · 06-10-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

The one thing that is starting to annoy me, I must admit, is folks assuming this was a "signability" pick. Unless you have firsthand knowledge (which really most if not all of you naysayers don't), you should knock off the signability claims.

Why should we? It's a perfectly acceptable thing to assume and or discuss. You want to shut us up, come with a compelling argument that we are wrong. Last year is last year and since it ended we have played it extremely tight to the vest fiscally speaking. Being a bit more conservative is fine in this economy but there are still games to be played and won and they should have spent more or spent those limited funds more wisely.

Blitz Dorsey · 06-10-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KoryMac5

Personally I think they drafted Leake because they know he has a good chance to be ready by 2011. With Harang and Arroyo being dealt this season you are going to need some movers to take their places in the middle of the 2011 rotation. The only pick I think that was a true signability pick was Matzek, and after listening to his interview with Mlb TV I can see why some teams stayed away.

Easy there big boy. Reds are still in the race this year and if they can get Votto and Volquez back they are going to be buyers at the deadline, not sellers.

Mario-Rijo · 06-10-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbachunk

Ok I am sick of hear this, why can't it be that the people in the organization just liked the makeup of those guys better?! Everyone has their own opinion and the Reds FO may have a different one than yours. Look back in 4-7 years and then bash them but many people in this thread are being far far to rash.

Makeup is a great asset but drafting that high it should be accompanied by premium talent. Leake is solid but again taking a back of the rotation starter/MR guy 40 picks in is incomprehensible.

Cedric · 06-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Good pick. He was my favorite. It's not the "flashy" pick maybe, but still the best, IMO. I like the reports on the guys makeup and clean delivery. He doesn't waste energy in his delivery either, that's fairly obvious in watching his film.

Ga_Red · 06-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Why should you?

maybe because you're beating this horse to death?

We got your slant a dozen posts ago.

06-09-2009, 11:49 PM	#47
RedlegJake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Kansas City, Mo Posts: 3,944	Re: Mike Leake Boxberger is actually similar to Leake - build/projectability, a bit better fastball, less command, not quite as good secondary pitches but still usable, while Leake is probably best case #2-realistic#3 Boxberger looks to me like a best case#3, realistic 4 or 5 with a good chance he ends up a middle reliever. The main knock on him seems to be whether he can maintain his stuff late in games, he did better at it this year but there have been problems with it in his past

06-09-2009, 11:51 PM	#49
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,987	Re: Mike Leake Put me in the camp that likes the pick. Unless there's an absolute no-brainer stud, I'd much prefer the high floor guy over the high ceiling one. Four legitimate pitches. Great command. Clean injury history. Works for me. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

06-09-2009, 11:51 PM	#50
BearcatShane Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cincinnati/Colerain Posts: 1,256	Re: Mike Leake To me, Leake sounds like a very safe pick. I love that, look at the drafts over the last ten years, there is usually 5-9 players who were drafted in round 1 that really did anything. So I think it is smart to take a guy who has a very good chance of being a solid #3 starter over a guy who might be a 1 if he can stay healthy and get better control. Not sure I made sence here but in my own mind I did.

06-09-2009, 11:53 PM	#51
KoryMac5 Kmac5 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waterloo, NY Posts: 3,661	Re: Mike Leake Personally I think they drafted Leake because they know he has a good chance to be ready by 2011. With Harang and Arroyo being dealt this season you are going to need some movers to take their places in the middle of the 2011 rotation. The only pick I think that was a true signability pick was Matzek, and after listening to his interview with Mlb TV I can see why some teams stayed away. __________________ If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.

06-09-2009, 11:58 PM	#52
RedlegJake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Kansas City, Mo Posts: 3,944	Re: Mike Leake Myself I don't mind skipping Crow with his dangerous mechanics, or Scheppers with his shoulder. Those guys weren't signability - they were, imo, simply too high risk for Buckley. Matzek was asking ridiculous money, especially for a high school kid. If he goes Gruler on Colorado that's a ton of cash down the tubes - and its a better bet he flops than he doesn't. Looks to me the Reds went safe on pitchers and took the gamble on the HS athlete/uber tools but raw Billy Hamilton. The more I look at it the more I like the picks.

06-10-2009, 12:17 AM	#59
Cedric Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Monroe Posts: 6,230	Re: Mike Leake Good pick. He was my favorite. It's not the "flashy" pick maybe, but still the best, IMO. I like the reports on the guys makeup and clean delivery. He doesn't waste energy in his delivery either, that's fairly obvious in watching his film. __________________ This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

06-10-2009, 12:17 AM	#60
Ga_Red Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Ga Posts: 2,362	Re: Mike Leake Why should you? maybe because you're beating this horse to death? We got your slant a dozen posts ago. __________________ The happiest people don't need the best of every-thing; they make the best of everything they have. --- 'Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain.' ---

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