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 07-03-2009, 09:56 AM #1 reds1869 We Need Our Myths     Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Overlooking GABP Posts: 4,386 Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance Old hat for a lot of us around here, but interesting regardless. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...466979118.html
 07-03-2009, 10:22 AM #2 forfreelin04 Member     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zanesville, OH Posts: 1,292 Re: Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance Great Article.... Thanks for posting it.
 07-05-2009, 10:29 PM #3 RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus     Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 15,672 Re: Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance Great book -- I just read it a month ago or so. It should be required reading in high school math as far as I'm concerned. It's a very accessible primer on probability and chance from a historical perspective. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
 07-08-2009, 11:43 PM #4 kpresidente Member     Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,701 Re: Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance Just because a 56-game hitting streaks happen in random models doesn't mean DiMaggio wasn't doing something to initiate the streak. Also, even if he didn't do something special to initiate it, that doesn't mean DiMaggio's feat shouldn't celebrated. I'm sure somebody would finish 755 HRs or more in those models as well, which doesn't make the accomplishment less significant. I read this or something similar a few years ago and had the same thought...so what? Is the implication that there is an element of luck in our celebrated achievements? Hardly a revelation.
07-09-2009, 10:53 AM   #5
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Re: Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance

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 Originally Posted by kpresidente Just because a 56-game hitting streaks happen in random models doesn't mean DiMaggio wasn't doing something to initiate the streak. Also, even if he didn't do something special to initiate it, that doesn't mean DiMaggio's feat shouldn't celebrated. I'm sure somebody would finish 755 HRs or more in those models as well, which doesn't make the accomplishment less significant. I read this or something similar a few years ago and had the same thought...so what? Is the implication that there is an element of luck in our celebrated achievements? Hardly a revelation.
I'm not sure how you read that article and came to the conclusion that DiMaggio's streak shouldn't be celebrated or that he had no role in accomplishing it. Here's what I don't understand: if you know the article is just going to rub you the wrong way, then why read it?
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07-10-2009, 03:14 PM   #6
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Re: Interesting Wall Street Journal Article on Chance

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 Originally Posted by wolfboy I'm not sure how you read that article and came to the conclusion that DiMaggio's streak shouldn't be celebrated or that he had no role in accomplishing it.
This is how...

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 ...DiMaggio’s streak has been interpreted as a feat of mythic proportion, seen as a heroic, even miraculous, spurt of unrivaled effort and concentration. But was it? Or was this epic moment simply a fluke?

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07-10-2009, 04:34 PM   #7
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 Originally Posted by kpresidente This is how...
The author is simply asking a question, one which they don't answer. The evidence is presented and the reader is left to draw their own conclusion. I personally think the streak was a perfect mixture of skill and luck. You absolutely must have both to have a streak like that.

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 Originally Posted by kpresidente This is how...
I realize that the author poses that question early in the article, but he doesn't attempt to prove either position.
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