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FlyerFanatic · 07-23-2009, 01:52 PM

The St. Louis Cardinals and Oakland Athletics have been talking about a possible swap of All-Star outfielder Matt Holliday and top prospect Brett Wallace, according to sources, and one person familiar with the talks places the odds of a deal at 50-50.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...r_espn_4350887

GIDP · 07-23-2009, 01:54 PM

good news for us especially if he walks at the end of the year.

texasdave · 07-23-2009, 02:01 PM

..while Walt slumbers on.

OesterPoster · 07-23-2009, 02:14 PM

I wouldn't like that deal, if I'm a Cards fan.

texasdave · 07-23-2009, 02:45 PM

I do that if I am the Cardinals 11 times out of 10. Matt Holliday after a slow start is OPSing over .830 in a pitcher's park. That works out to a 125+ OPS. He is only 29 so should have several peak seasons of prime value left.
Brett Wallace turns 23 in a month and is OPSing about .780 in the hit-happy PCL. Not overly impressive for a corner infielder if you ask me.

The Cardinal organization has the money to resign him. And if they don't, they get two first round/supplemental first round picks.

Having Matt Holliday definitely improves their chances of reaching and doing something when they reach the playoffs.

If they reach the playoffs this season the income they will derive from that more than pays the remainder of Holliday's contract for 2009.

And isn't making the playoffs what the game is all about?

Where is the downside for St. Louis?

WildcatFan · 07-24-2009, 11:56 AM

Tim Kurkjian is saying that the deal will go through as soon as the two teams decide on who will pay Holliday the final $6 million on his contract. Looks like the Reds are playing for next year if we didn't know that already.

GIDP · 07-24-2009, 11:58 AM

Cardinals better hope they resign him because they are going nuts with this deal. Hell even if they resign him given that its going to take a lot of money they are taking a massive hit.

Gizmo · 07-24-2009, 12:10 PM

done deal now.

Royals Fan · 07-24-2009, 12:10 PM

Espn is reporting the deal is done.Cards are team to best now in the Central.

CySeymour · 07-24-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royals Fan

Espn is reporting the deal is done.Cards are team to best now in the Central.

And his first series will be in Philly...nice ballpark for a hitter to make his debut with a team.

texasdave · 07-24-2009, 12:28 PM

While Walt sits on his hands. So, all along, when Walt was making those big pickups in St. Louis it wasn't really Walt, it was the Cardinal organization.

TheBigLebowski · 07-24-2009, 12:32 PM

While I am indeed disillusioned with Walt, this might not be a bad thing for us. STL gave up 3 prospects for Holliday, whose deal expires at the end of the year. We all know we weren't winning the central this year anyway. Matters not if we lose to STL by 5 or 15 games. Best case scenario - STL forfeits Brett Wallace and two other fine prospects for a rental and he walks in 2010.

However, if STL manages to sign him to a LTC, we're in trouble. We can't counter stuff like that with another off-season that nets us guys like Guillermo Tavares and Laynce Nix.

GIDP · 07-24-2009, 12:42 PM

My biggest problem with this is that we play the Cardinals a few more times this year and George Grande will be having extra large orgasms.

jmac · 07-24-2009, 12:42 PM

Pujols/Holiday/Derosa etc.....Oh well. at least the Cubs wont win the division.

TheBigLebowski · 07-24-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIDP

My biggest problem with this is that we play the Cardinals a few more times this year and George Grande will be having extra large orgasms.

Probably the only action he's getting. I'm happy for him.

07-23-2009, 01:52 PM	#1
FlyerFanatic Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 655	St. Louis looking at Holliday The St. Louis Cardinals and Oakland Athletics have been talking about a possible swap of All-Star outfielder Matt Holliday and top prospect Brett Wallace, according to sources, and one person familiar with the talks places the odds of a deal at 50-50. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...r_espn_4350887

07-23-2009, 01:54 PM	#2
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday good news for us especially if he walks at the end of the year.

07-23-2009, 02:01 PM	#3
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,577	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday ..while Walt slumbers on.

07-23-2009, 02:14 PM	#4
OesterPoster Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West-central Ohio Posts: 1,917	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday I wouldn't like that deal, if I'm a Cards fan.

07-23-2009, 02:45 PM	#5
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,577	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday I do that if I am the Cardinals 11 times out of 10. Matt Holliday after a slow start is OPSing over .830 in a pitcher's park. That works out to a 125+ OPS. He is only 29 so should have several peak seasons of prime value left. Brett Wallace turns 23 in a month and is OPSing about .780 in the hit-happy PCL. Not overly impressive for a corner infielder if you ask me. The Cardinal organization has the money to resign him. And if they don't, they get two first round/supplemental first round picks. Having Matt Holliday definitely improves their chances of reaching and doing something when they reach the playoffs. If they reach the playoffs this season the income they will derive from that more than pays the remainder of Holliday's contract for 2009. And isn't making the playoffs what the game is all about? Where is the downside for St. Louis?

07-24-2009, 11:56 AM	#6
WildcatFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 921	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday Tim Kurkjian is saying that the deal will go through as soon as the two teams decide on who will pay Holliday the final $6 million on his contract. Looks like the Reds are playing for next year if we didn't know that already.

07-24-2009, 11:58 AM	#7
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday Cardinals better hope they resign him because they are going nuts with this deal. Hell even if they resign him given that its going to take a lot of money they are taking a massive hit.

07-24-2009, 12:10 PM	#8
Gizmo Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Currently in MD Posts: 869	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday done deal now. __________________ Is it "next season" yet?

07-24-2009, 12:10 PM	#9
Royals Fan Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 234	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday Espn is reporting the deal is done.Cards are team to best now in the Central.

07-24-2009, 12:28 PM	#11
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,577	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday While Walt sits on his hands. So, all along, when Walt was making those big pickups in St. Louis it wasn't really Walt, it was the Cardinal organization.

07-24-2009, 12:32 PM	#12
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,808	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday While I am indeed disillusioned with Walt, this might not be a bad thing for us. STL gave up 3 prospects for Holliday, whose deal expires at the end of the year. We all know we weren't winning the central this year anyway. Matters not if we lose to STL by 5 or 15 games. Best case scenario - STL forfeits Brett Wallace and two other fine prospects for a rental and he walks in 2010. However, if STL manages to sign him to a LTC, we're in trouble. We can't counter stuff like that with another off-season that nets us guys like Guillermo Tavares and Laynce Nix. __________________ Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

07-24-2009, 12:42 PM	#13
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday My biggest problem with this is that we play the Cardinals a few more times this year and George Grande will be having extra large orgasms.

07-24-2009, 12:42 PM	#14
jmac part of BBN Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,300	Re: St. Louis looking at Holliday Pujols/Holiday/Derosa etc.....Oh well. at least the Cubs wont win the division.

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