Rolen Talks Revived

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

This leads me to believe the deal is contingent upon the Jays kicking back some money, which perhaps they're not able (or willing) to do unless Halladay is traded.

I think it's been well-documented that is indeed the case. The Reds want the Jays to pick up half of Rolen's 2010 salary. I'd also be interested in Marco Scuarto.

However I wouldn't offer that much in addition to EE. In other words, no Homer Bailey and no Alonso/Frazier/Stewart.

[HokieRed]

Having watched Scott Rolen, will Toronto fans rebel at watching EE play defense? I'm just not buying that EE is part of the trade.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Having watched Scott Rolen, will Toronto fans rebel at watching EE play defense? I'm just not buying that EE is part of the trade.

Who plays 3B if he's not? Would that cause a bigger rebellion?

[HokieRed]

Todd Frazier? Drew Sutton until Juan Francisco can do it?

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Todd Frazier? Drew Sutton until Juan Francisco can do it?

Uh, I thought we were talking about the Blue Jays?

[HokieRed]

I am.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

I am.

I have a hard time believing that any team would prefer a return of Drew Sutton and/or Juan Francisco to EE. If they would, be my guest!

[HokieRed]

Originally Posted by Benihana

I have a hard time believing that any team would prefer a return of Drew Sutton and/or Juan Francisco to EE. If they would, be my guest!

That wouldn't be the whole package. The whole package might involve either one of Stubbs/Heisey, probably Stubbs, and both Sutton and Francisco, or possibly a pitcher. If the name isn't Bailey, Travis Wood will surely be the one being talked about. I just think that there's next to no reason for a club that's trying to cut payroll to take on EE, whose value I think RZers tend to vastly overrate.

[paulrichjr]

There obviously could be a trade for Rolen but if a deal is made it would appear that there really is no truth to the rumors over the years of LaRussa coming here. I think some have speculated on that if Dusty was fired this winter. LaRussa and Rolen didn't see "eye to eye" the last time they wore the same uniform.

[Jpup]

Foxsports.com says the Reds are still trying to get Rolen, but the Jays are holding it up because on the Halladay stuff. They also said the Reds are not in on Halladay.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

That wouldn't be the whole package. The whole package might involve either one of Stubbs/Heisey, probably Stubbs, and both Sutton and Francisco, or possibly a pitcher. If the name isn't Bailey, Travis Wood will surely be the one being talked about. I just think that there's next to no reason for a club that's trying to cut payroll to take on EE, whose value I think RZers tend to vastly overrate.

Stubbs and Francisco, or Stubbs and Bailey/Woods for about one year of Rolen????

Have I fallen asleep and suddenly awoken at a time that we are contending?

We should be trading guys like Rolen instead of trading two top prospects for an aging vet.

[HokieRed]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Stubbs and Francisco, or Stubbs and Bailey/Woods for about one year of Rolen????

Have I fallen asleep and suddenly awoken at a time that we are contending?

We should be trading guys like Rolen instead of trading two top prospects for an aging vet.

I wasn't suggesting that's what we'd be trading: I was speculating about what they'd be asking. Remember we're supposedly asking them also to take half Rolen's salary. They're not going to do that for nothing. I've suggested it before but I do think a Francisco, Sutton, Stubbs package would make sense for both sides, we to get Rolen and half his salary. It frees us also to move EE elsewhere, either to LF or to somebody else.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

I wasn't suggesting that's what we'd be trading: I was speculating about what they'd be asking. Remember we're supposedly asking them also to take half Rolen's salary. They're not going to do that for nothing. I've suggested it before but I do think a Francisco, Sutton, Stubbs package would make sense for both sides, we to get Rolen and half his salary. It frees us also to move EE elsewhere, either to LF or to somebody else.

Trading Stubbs and Francisco for even a half price Rolen makes zero sense to the Reds.

[Falls City Beer]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Trading Stubbs and Francisco for even a half price Rolen makes zero sense to the Reds.

You've been pretty obviously against the Reds trading promise for production. What would you argue the Reds should do? Remember: few teams are parting with prospects right now (and even fewer are parting with prospects for the garbage that the Reds are trying to palm off--Arroyo, etc).

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Trading Stubbs and Francisco for even a half price Rolen makes zero sense to the Reds.

I don't really view Stubbs or Francisco as a "top prospect." They might have that status right now, but I can't say that I see either one reaching their "ceiling."

I see Stubbs as Taveras with better range and Francisco as a Tony Batista type. I'd consider this deal, as long as the Jays pay half of Rolen's salary and there's another shoe to drop (a front-end starter and/or SS is brought in.)