Scott Rolen traded to the Reds - Page 19 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Raisor · 07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

I get in the car in about an hour to drive the 8 hours to cincy for the weekend series.

Glad I'm going to Kings Island.

guttle11 · 07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

Zach Stewart is bringing Denorfia like reaction for RZers.

flyer85 · 07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

IMO the odds of Rolen staying healthy and playing 120+ games in 2010 are not good.

*BaseClogger* · 07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

Who woke up Walt!?!?

westofyou · 07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

I don't know. I'd pretty much chew off a limb to get rid of Encarnacion. I like Roenicke, but if Stewart doesn't pan out then it's Roenicke for Rolen and that strikes me as a winner for the Reds.

Yep, EE is trending into Chris Brown territory to me.

Sometimes breaking up is hard.

lollipopcurve · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Couple things:

EdE may be considered a bad contract. The Jays may not have wanted him, and the Reds had to overpay in minor league talent.

I was at the Louisville-Syracuse game last Friday, and I was surprised at how small Stewart is. Thought he was a much thicker guy. Not that that means much, but he does not look at all like a workhorse to me. I don't like giving him up in this deal, though.

The thing to keep in mind with trades, as always, is that you have to give to get. It's often painful.

Ltlabner · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Breaking news: Rolen injures back bending over to sign no-trade waiver paperwork.

traderumor · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Fay has spoken, this needs a sticky.

wheels · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

I don't know. I'd pretty much chew off a limb to get rid of Encarnacion. I like Roenicke, but if Stewart doesn't pan out then it's Roenicke for Rolen and that strikes me as a winner for the Reds.

Once again. Good perspective.

There is a decent chance that Stewart won't pan out. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.

It's just that I wonder if better players from another organization couldn't have been had with that same package.

I'm not as mad about what will be as I am about what could have been.

Patrick Bateman · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

In short, he's a Reds' pitching prospect. Useless to the Reds.

But it's entirely possible that the Jays' farm system can develop him into something.

This argument is sooo tiresome. Different regime, the minor league system has actually been pretty decent recently. Stewart has had nothing but success up the chain, and could probably succeed as a reliever in the big leagues already.

Walt must think we are contenders. The only reasoning to back this trade is if you think the Reds are contending this year or next. I know you don't, and I know that 99% of this board doesn't.

I don't even get Rolen as a target, let alone as the guy we decided to shell out prospects for. Actual contenders haven't been willing to give up as much as the Reds just did in this trade.

Cyclone792 · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

I don't know. I'd pretty much chew off a limb to get rid of Encarnacion. I like Roenicke, but if Stewart doesn't pan out then it's Roenicke for Rolen and that strikes me as a winner for the Reds.

I'm trying to take a step back here and evaluate this one as objective as possible (or eliminating the immediate emotion), and I think this is pretty much my take. Stewart's the one guy in this deal I didn't want to see included, but if he doesn't pan out then this could work in the Reds' favor.

Of course, if Stewart does pan out, well ... we just got reamed.

Knowing the Reds' luck, the latter is probably going to end up happening.

flyer85 · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Good chance Stewart might be the closer for the Jays in 2009

IslandRed · 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M2

I don't know. I'd pretty much chew off a limb to get rid of Encarnacion. I like Roenicke, but if Stewart doesn't pan out then it's Roenicke for Rolen and that strikes me as a winner for the Reds.

This is where we have to hope the minor-league staff had a good read on Stewart and figured, gaudy numbers aside, he was no sure thing to be a rotation centerpiece and this was the "sell high" moment.

Could be wrong. It happens. I was looking forward to seeing Stewart in Cincinnati myself.

dougdirt · 07-31-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunner13

i know everyone loves stewart but in the top 100 prospects in baseball hes ranked where???? I mean hes a nice pitching prospect but you do have to give up something to get an all start GG thirdbasemen.

He is about 50th in baseball. He has a 92-96 MPH plus fastball with sink and a plus slider.

How is it that the Phillies got Cliff Lee without including a pitcher as good as Stewart and we get an injury prone third baseman?

dunner13 · 07-31-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

I swear, I'm not sure how anyone can accept this.

As I said for the past few days, EE for Rolen is debatable.

But Roenicke and STEWART?

Walt has gone mad. This trade will be laughed at by the baseball world. The Reds have been BUNGAL-ized. I swear.

Time to drink.

EE cant field well enough to play defense at any position and his bat wont play in the AL East. This time next year hes a bench player for the jays.
Roeenicke is a reliever, possibly a good one but still a reliever.
Stewart is a prospect, not even our best one.

Good trade, if we are going to have any shot at competing in 2010 then we needed this trade.

07-31-2009, 04:29 PM	#271
Raisor Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,673	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds I get in the car in about an hour to drive the 8 hours to cincy for the weekend series. Glad I'm going to Kings Island. __________________ "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

07-31-2009, 04:29 PM	#272
guttle11 Raaaaaaaandy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,118	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Zach Stewart is bringing Denorfia like reaction for RZers. __________________ "I saw Wedding Crashers accidentally. I bought a ticket for Grizzly Man and went into the wrong theater. After an hour, I figured I was in the wrong theater, but I kept waiting. That’s the thing about bear attacks. They come when you least expect it."-Dwight K. Schrute

07-31-2009, 04:29 PM	#273
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds IMO the odds of Rolen staying healthy and playing 120+ games in 2010 are not good. __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

07-31-2009, 04:29 PM	#274
BaseClogger WOOOOO!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 6,075	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Who woke up Walt!?!? __________________ "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

07-31-2009, 04:30 PM	#276
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,478	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Couple things: EdE may be considered a bad contract. The Jays may not have wanted him, and the Reds had to overpay in minor league talent. I was at the Louisville-Syracuse game last Friday, and I was surprised at how small Stewart is. Thought he was a much thicker guy. Not that that means much, but he does not look at all like a workhorse to me. I don't like giving him up in this deal, though. The thing to keep in mind with trades, as always, is that you have to give to get. It's often painful. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

07-31-2009, 04:30 PM	#277
Ltlabner 2009: Fail Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 7,441	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Breaking news: Rolen injures back bending over to sign no-trade waiver paperwork. __________________ a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude. I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

07-31-2009, 04:30 PM	#278
traderumor Unsolicited Opinions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right Down Broadway Posts: 17,638	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Fay has spoken, this needs a sticky.

07-31-2009, 04:30 PM	#282
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Heyman says Rolen to the Reds Good chance Stewart might be the closer for the Jays in 2009 __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

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