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GOYA · 08-12-2009, 11:13 PM

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Player	        AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG
Stubbs CF	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	.273
Bolivar 2B	5	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	.242
McDonald RF	3	3	2	0	0	0	0	1	0	.318
Barker 1B	3	1	1	1	0	0	1	2	1	.281
Heisey LF	3	2	2	0	0	1	3	1	1	.291
Bankston 3B	5	2	2	1	0	1	3	0	1	.253
Griffin, M 3B	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.212
Valaika SS	2	0	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	.204
Denove C	5	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	1	.280
Maloney P	1	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	.313
Dorn PH	        1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.259
Eymann 3B	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.188

Player	        IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
Maloney 	5.0	8	6	6	3	5	0	3.02
Baez 	        2.0	4	2	2	0	1	0	4.88
Viola 	        1.0	0	0	0	0	3	0	5.32
Ondrusek 	1.0	1	1	1	1	0	1	0.96
Watson 	        0.1	2	1	1	0	0	0	27.00

corkedbat · 08-12-2009, 11:27 PM

I was hopingthe Phillies would have taken a liking to Harang and we could have worked a deal around the dealine involving Taylor.

Would've loved an OF next year of:

LF Taylor
CF Stubbs/Dickerson
RF Bruce/Heisey

or (if they dealt Stubbs)

LF Taylor
CF Heisey/Dickerson
RF Bruce/Ballentein

Pipedream, I know, but it was a nice one.

Edd Roush · 08-13-2009, 09:06 AM

Ugly, ugly game from Stubbs. Ever since I saw Taveras' minor league line and how eerily similar it was to Stubbs, I have had this awful feeling.

Stubbs .270/.366/.404/.770
Taveras .288/.370/.361/.731

Sure, Stubbs is slugging a little bit better and will always have power potential on his side, but he is only slugging .369 this year as a 24-year old in AAA.

REDblooded · 08-13-2009, 10:00 AM

why'd you do that to me Roush?

BoilerBC11 · 08-13-2009, 10:19 AM

Two can play this game.

Stubbs .270/.366/.404/.770
Kenny Lofton Minor League Stats- .300/.370/.379
Grady Sizemore Minor League Stats- .289/.377/.411

Edd Roush · 08-13-2009, 10:32 AM

Boiler, I really hope he follows the career paths of Grady Sizemore and Kenny Lofton. I have always been optimistic about Stubbs going into the past couple months. However, the Reds refusal to promote Stubbs when the time was perfect casted doubts in my mind. He has just been so up and down over his career.

BTW, where did you pull Lofton's minor league stats? I tried baseball-reference and it did not have any on-base percentage numbers.

The caveat to Sizemore's numbers are that he did it at a much younger age (his last minor league season he was 21). That definately needs to be included when comparing Stubbs' minor league stats to Sizemore.

Benihana · 08-13-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BoilerBC11

Two can play this game.

Stubbs .270/.366/.404/.770
Kenny Lofton Minor League Stats- .300/.370/.379
Grady Sizemore Minor League Stats- .289/.377/.411

Sizemore was playing in the majors when he was 21. BIG difference.

I've been likening Stubbs to Taveras for a while now. I hope I'm wrong (or better yet, I hope they trade Stubbs while he still has value.)

GOYA · 08-13-2009, 01:53 PM

Offensive comparisons aside, Stubbs is a much better defender.

Benihana · 08-13-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GOYA

Offensive comparisons aside, Stubbs is a much better defender.

Juan Castro and Paul Janish were/are great defenders at premium positions as well.

dougdirt · 08-13-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Sizemore was playing in the majors when he was 21. BIG difference.

I've been likening Stubbs to Taveras for a while now. I hope I'm wrong (or better yet, I hope they trade Stubbs while he still has value.)

The difference is in the power. Taveras has never projected to hit for power. It just won't happen because of how small he is. Stubbs on the flip side has a much better chance to hit for power because of his size. Whether it comes or not is another thing, but Stubbs certainly has shown flashes that its in there. Willy hasn't come close to threatening any game with his power.

Benihana · 08-13-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

The difference is in the power. Taveras has never projected to hit for power. It just won't happen because of how small he is. Stubbs on the flip side has a much better chance to hit for power because of his size. Whether it comes or not is another thing, but Stubbs certainly has shown flashes that its in there. Willy hasn't come close to threatening any game with his power.

That's true. I (along with everyone else) just keep hoping and wishing for Stubbs to translate some of that "power projection" into actual results, and so far it's not happening. Usually if a guy has shown no signs of actual game power at any level by the age of 25, it's not a good sign.

TRF · 08-13-2009, 03:13 PM

I'll bet right now Stubbs doesn't appear in more than 50 games for the Reds next year. And if that is the case, ouch.

BRM · 08-13-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TRF

I'll bet right now Stubbs doesn't appear in more than 50 games for the Reds next year. And if that is the case, ouch.

Counting on Taveras to play CF all next year?

TRF · 08-13-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BRM

Counting on Taveras to play CF all next year?

It'll be WT and Dickerson. Dickerson is still cheap and under the Reds control. WT hasn't been DFA'd yet, so he's with the team next year too. The rest of the OF is probably Bruce, Wlad and one of Gomes/Nix.

Personally I don't think Stubbs is an upgrade over Dickerson. So he'll have to bust the door down, and he's being lapped by Heisey.

BRM · 08-13-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TRF

It'll be WT and Dickerson. Dickerson is still cheap and under the Reds control. WT hasn't been DFA'd yet, so he's with the team next year too. The rest of the OF is probably Bruce, Wlad and one of Gomes/Nix.

Personally I don't think Stubbs is an upgrade over Dickerson. So he'll have to bust the door down, and he's being lapped by Heisey.

I don't know that the Reds FO believes the bolded part.

08-12-2009, 11:27 PM	#32
corkedbat Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lexington Posts: 4,951	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates I was hopingthe Phillies would have taken a liking to Harang and we could have worked a deal around the dealine involving Taylor. Would've loved an OF next year of: LF Taylor CF Stubbs/Dickerson RF Bruce/Heisey or (if they dealt Stubbs) LF Taylor CF Heisey/Dickerson RF Bruce/Ballentein Pipedream, I know, but it was a nice one.

08-13-2009, 09:06 AM	#33
Edd Roush Two-Time Batting Champ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Loveland, OH Posts: 2,640	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates Ugly, ugly game from Stubbs. Ever since I saw Taveras' minor league line and how eerily similar it was to Stubbs, I have had this awful feeling. Stubbs .270/.366/.404/.770 Taveras .288/.370/.361/.731 Sure, Stubbs is slugging a little bit better and will always have power potential on his side, but he is only slugging .369 this year as a 24-year old in AAA.

08-13-2009, 10:00 AM	#34
REDblooded Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,126	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates why'd you do that to me Roush? __________________ 2010 Mock Draft Selections (picking for Rays) Bryce Brentz Brandon Workman Kris Bryant Matt Lipka Rick Hague

08-13-2009, 10:19 AM	#35
BoilerBC11 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 53	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates Two can play this game. Stubbs .270/.366/.404/.770 Kenny Lofton Minor League Stats- .300/.370/.379 Grady Sizemore Minor League Stats- .289/.377/.411

08-13-2009, 10:32 AM	#36
Edd Roush Two-Time Batting Champ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Loveland, OH Posts: 2,640	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates Boiler, I really hope he follows the career paths of Grady Sizemore and Kenny Lofton. I have always been optimistic about Stubbs going into the past couple months. However, the Reds refusal to promote Stubbs when the time was perfect casted doubts in my mind. He has just been so up and down over his career. BTW, where did you pull Lofton's minor league stats? I tried baseball-reference and it did not have any on-base percentage numbers. The caveat to Sizemore's numbers are that he did it at a much younger age (his last minor league season he was 21). That definately needs to be included when comparing Stubbs' minor league stats to Sizemore.

08-13-2009, 01:53 PM	#38
GOYA Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 5,143	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates Offensive comparisons aside, Stubbs is a much better defender.

08-13-2009, 03:13 PM	#42
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,680	Re: Wed August 12 - Minor League Updates I'll bet right now Stubbs doesn't appear in more than 50 games for the Reds next year. And if that is the case, ouch. __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

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