Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

TheNext44 · 09-03-2009, 02:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...e=MLBHeadlines

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That brings us to Reyes, just by process of elimination. But he isn't quite the healthiest man on the planet, either. And even if he was, ask yourself this: Could the Mets really convince themselves to trade a player like this -- who is this talented, who's still only 26 years old and who is signed at highly affordable dollars for the next two years?

Well, three of the executives we polled said the Mets have to suck it up and do exactly that.

Don't know what it would take to get him, but if he's healthy, very few untouchables in the Reds organization in my mind.

dougdirt · 09-03-2009, 02:43 PM

There is exactly 1 player I wouldn't trade for Jose Reyes and its Jay Bruce. Votto, Phillips, Bailey, Cueto.... any of them would be gone in a deal for Reyes. Minor Leaguers.... see ya later.

Chip R · 09-03-2009, 02:51 PM

Isn't he having the same kind of hamstring surgery that Jr. had on his?

Tom Servo · 09-03-2009, 02:56 PM

I'd try and formulate a package around Yonder Alonso but I would guess the Mets would want pitching in return.

redsfandan · 09-03-2009, 02:57 PM

To piggyback on what TheNext44 posted:

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•A variety of executives don't believe the Mets are close to winning soon. One says "there's no quick fix" for the team and another believes they have to rebuild.

•One scout believes it will take more than restored health and minor changes for the Mets to compete with the Phillies, Braves and Marlins next year.

•One of Stark's sources says Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya could be fired if the team falls apart in September.

•More than one executive believes the Mets have a weak farm system. One exec says the prospects they do have are far from contributing in the majors.

•The Mets will need starting pitching, a catcher, a first baseman, at least one corner outfielder and a left-handed reliever after the season. They will have some money to spend, but it will be tough to meet those needs with dollars alone.

We have a surplus of outfielders (including the minor leagues). Alonso, Arroyo, Heisey, and Dorn for Reyes?

jojo · 09-03-2009, 02:57 PM

Remember it's only two years of Reyes and it'll be for $10M each year.

BRM · 09-03-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Remember it's only two years of Reyes and it'll be for $10M each year.

Yeah, the Reds aren't allowed to spend for actual talent. I keep forgetting that.

HokieRed · 09-03-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

Remember it's only two years of Reyes and it'll be for $10M each year.

Agree this is of paramount importance. What do you think a suitable offer would be?

TheNext44 · 09-03-2009, 03:09 PM

There's a decent chance that the Mets would actually want to include Harang, and maybe Arroyo. That would help on the payroll side for the first year.

As stated by Tom Servo and redsfandan, the obvious package starts with Alonso and Arroyo, but will probably end up including Harang instead of Arroyo. Janish will probably also be needed since I don't see an in house replacement for Reyes in the Mets system.

fearofpopvol1 · 09-03-2009, 03:10 PM

I don't believe there is a chance that the Mets trade him. He is WAY too much of a fan favorite. If Mets fans aren't wearing a Wright jersey, it's a Reyes one. The Latin fan base here comes to see him play. I just don't see it happening.

jojo · 09-03-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BRM

Yeah, the Reds aren't allowed to spend for actual talent. I keep forgetting that.

That was not my point and you know it.

Contractual obligations and the number of years he'd be controlled have to be factored in to what his price tag should be.

BRM · 09-03-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

That was not my point and you know it.

Contractual obligations and the number of years he'd be controlled have to be factored in to what his price tag should be.

Actually I thought it was at first. However, I should have known you aren't in that particular camp. My apologies.

NJReds · 09-03-2009, 03:26 PM

I'm leary of Reyes. He had a lot of hamstring problems when he first came up. He doesn't have a reputation for working very hard to keep his legs in shape, and he's been disciplined more than a couple times for not running out ground balls.

Also, his value is pretty low right now. Even if the Mets do trade him, I'm sure it won't be until Reyes shows that he's healthy in spring training.

I've heard rumblings here that they may look to deal Beltran, too.

Highlifeman21 · 09-03-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

There is exactly 1 player I wouldn't trade for Jose Reyes and its Jay Bruce. Votto, Phillips, Bailey, Cueto.... any of them would be gone in a deal for Reyes. Minor Leaguers.... see ya later.

Given what Bruce's done in 2009, why hold onto him if he's the one player keeping us from obtaining Jose Reyes?

redsfandan · 09-03-2009, 03:34 PM

Chances are that we'd only have Reyes for the two years left on his contract. To give up 5+ years of Bruce for only 2 years of Reyes with hamstring problems would be a mistake, imo, and selling Bruce short.

09-03-2009, 02:43 PM	#2
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,758	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark There is exactly 1 player I wouldn't trade for Jose Reyes and its Jay Bruce. Votto, Phillips, Bailey, Cueto.... any of them would be gone in a deal for Reyes. Minor Leaguers.... see ya later. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

09-03-2009, 02:51 PM	#3
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,225	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark Isn't he having the same kind of hamstring surgery that Jr. had on his? __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

09-03-2009, 02:56 PM	#4
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,418	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark I'd try and formulate a package around Yonder Alonso but I would guess the Mets would want pitching in return. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

09-03-2009, 02:57 PM	#6
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,575	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark Remember it's only two years of Reyes and it'll be for $10M each year. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

09-03-2009, 03:09 PM	#9
TheNext44 Socratic Gadfly Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,224	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark There's a decent chance that the Mets would actually want to include Harang, and maybe Arroyo. That would help on the payroll side for the first year. As stated by Tom Servo and redsfandan, the obvious package starts with Alonso and Arroyo, but will probably end up including Harang instead of Arroyo. Janish will probably also be needed since I don't see an in house replacement for Reyes in the Mets system. __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

09-03-2009, 03:10 PM	#10
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,634	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark I don't believe there is a chance that the Mets trade him. He is WAY too much of a fan favorite. If Mets fans aren't wearing a Wright jersey, it's a Reyes one. The Latin fan base here comes to see him play. I just don't see it happening.

09-03-2009, 03:26 PM	#13
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,410	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark I'm leary of Reyes. He had a lot of hamstring problems when he first came up. He doesn't have a reputation for working very hard to keep his legs in shape, and he's been disciplined more than a couple times for not running out ground balls. Also, his value is pretty low right now. Even if the Mets do trade him, I'm sure it won't be until Reyes shows that he's healthy in spring training. I've heard rumblings here that they may look to deal Beltran, too. __________________ "The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson

09-03-2009, 03:34 PM	#15
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: Jose Reyes Should Be Traded: Stark Chances are that we'd only have Reyes for the two years left on his contract. To give up 5+ years of Bruce for only 2 years of Reyes with hamstring problems would be a mistake, imo, and selling Bruce short. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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