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Brutus · 09-19-2009, 06:45 PM

Teacher (Pete Carroll) is getting a lesson from pupil (Steve Sarkisian) today in the Washington PAC-10 debute for Sarkisian.

13-13 with a minute left. Washington ball in USC territory. Washington has it 2nd and 6 at the SC 35-yard line.

Brutus · 09-19-2009, 06:46 PM

20-yard pass play. Down to the 15 with 33 seconds left.

Brutus · 09-19-2009, 06:49 PM

Washington kicks a field goal with 3 seconds left. 16-13 Huskies.

USC 'bout to go down.

dabvu2498 · 09-19-2009, 06:51 PM

USC may have been overrated.

HeatherC1212 · 09-19-2009, 06:53 PM

This game had upset all over it and I'm honestly not that surprised about it. Doesn't USC lose on the road to some random lower ranked team every single season!? LOL

Brutus · 09-19-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dabvu2498

USC may have been overrated.

Yea I kind of got the feeling last week that, while Ohio State's defense played real well, they just don't have the play-makers this year that they've had in the past. Throw in inexperienced quarterbacks, and they're good, but not great.

cincrazy · 09-19-2009, 06:59 PM

I fail to see any difference between Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel. Other than Carroll is flashy and Tressel wears a sweater vest.

Brutus · 09-19-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cincrazy

I fail to see any difference between Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel. Other than Carroll is flashy and Tressel wears a sweater vest.

Carroll 33-5 vs. top 25
Tressel 19-16 vs. top 25

Yes, Carroll loses some games he shouldn't. But still, you don't see a difference in that?

One is 14-2 vs. top 10. The other is 4-10.

I see quite a bit of difference.

Spring~Fields · 09-19-2009, 07:17 PM

I didn't think that USC and Ohio State looked like top ten teams this early in the season last week. They both have some work to do with young quarterbacks.

Spring~Fields · 09-19-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cincrazy

I fail to see any difference between Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel. Other than Carroll is flashy and Tressel wears a sweater vest.

Didn't Carroll spend some time at Ohio State years ago, or am I mistaken.

cincrazy · 09-19-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spring~Fields

Didn't Carroll spend some time at Ohio State years ago, or am I mistaken.

You are correct. Served on Earle Bruce's staff, can't recall the year though. Either 1979 or the very early 80's.

cincrazy · 09-19-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Carroll 33-5 vs. top 25
Tressel 19-16 vs. top 25

Yes, Carroll loses some games he shouldn't. But still, you don't see a difference in that?

One is 14-2 vs. top 10. The other is 4-10.

I see quite a bit of difference.

I'm not arguing against Carroll's success. What I am arguing is OSU is just as good a program, and Tressel just as good a coach.

They both have one outright title, and how many games has Tressel lost in embarrassing fashion that he was supposed to win? Because I can't think of many. USC has one every year.

Brutus · 09-19-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cincrazy

I'm not arguing against Carroll's success. What I am arguing is OSU is just as good a program, and Tressel just as good a coach.

They both have one outright title, and how many games has Tressel lost in embarrassing fashion that he was supposed to win? Because I can't think of many. USC has one every year.

USC has two titles. It may not be outright, but it's still a title.

I'm looking at the big picture. Overall, Carroll has a better record than Tressel, one more national title in the same amount of time and a much, much, much better performance in coaching big games. To me, if we're looking at overall performance, Tressel is not the coach Carroll is (not that many are).

Of course, I think Tressel's offense has much to do with that. Let a real offensive coordinator handle the schemes and play-calling for the Ohio State offense, and I would say Tressel would in fact be on par with anyone in America. But until/unless that happens, it's a part of coaching. And Tressel leaves his teams woefully handicapped in big games until he's willing to change his philosophy.

It's not about capability for Tressel. But nonetheless, it matters.

OUReds · 09-19-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

USC has two titles. It may not be outright, but it's still a title.

The AP "title" became irrelevant when the AP decided to make its poll irrelevant.

improbus · 09-20-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

USC has two titles. It may not be outright, but it's still a title.

The split title thing is a joke. So, Texas should have gotten it last year but they didn't because the AP didn't exist. Also, it penalizes the team that actually makes the National Championship game and loses. They didn't get a chance at that "AP" National Title.

09-19-2009, 06:45 PM	#1
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,931	USC at Washington Teacher (Pete Carroll) is getting a lesson from pupil (Steve Sarkisian) today in the Washington PAC-10 debute for Sarkisian. 13-13 with a minute left. Washington ball in USC territory. Washington has it 2nd and 6 at the SC 35-yard line. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

09-19-2009, 06:46 PM	#2
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,931	Re: USC at Washington 20-yard pass play. Down to the 15 with 33 seconds left. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

09-19-2009, 06:49 PM	#3
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,931	Re: USC at Washington Washington kicks a field goal with 3 seconds left. 16-13 Huskies. USC 'bout to go down. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

09-19-2009, 06:51 PM	#4
dabvu2498 Yay! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 7,261	Re: USC at Washington USC may have been overrated. __________________ When all is said and done more is said than done.

09-19-2009, 06:53 PM	#5
HeatherC1212 Joey Votto Fangirl Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,515	Re: USC at Washington This game had upset all over it and I'm honestly not that surprised about it. Doesn't USC lose on the road to some random lower ranked team every single season!? LOL __________________ "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

09-19-2009, 06:59 PM	#7
cincrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Vienna, OH Posts: 4,131	Re: USC at Washington I fail to see any difference between Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel. Other than Carroll is flashy and Tressel wears a sweater vest.

09-19-2009, 07:17 PM	#9
Spring~Fields Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 8,630	Re: USC at Washington I didn't think that USC and Ohio State looked like top ten teams this early in the season last week. They both have some work to do with young quarterbacks.

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