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09-10-2009, 01:42 PM
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The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
At the moment, the Reds have 44 players on the 40-man roster (four of which are on the 60-day DL). Therefore, at least four of the existing players will need to be cut/non-tendered following the season. If you'd like to protect someone from the 40-man roster, you'd have to cut/non-tender an additional person.
Here are the players under contract for 2010: Bronson Arroyo Homer Bailey Francisco Cordero Johnny Cueto Carlos Fisher Aaron Harang Daniel Ray Herrera Sam LeCure Mike Lincoln Matt Maloney Ramon Ramirez Arthur Rhodes Daryl Thompson Pedro Viola Edinson Volquez Wilkin Castillo Ryan Hanigan Craig Tatum Yonder Alonso Kevin Barker Juan Francisco Paul Janish Brandon Phillips Danny Richar Scott Rolen Adam Rosales Drew Sutton Joey Votto Wladimir Balentien Jay Bruce Chris Dickerson Darnell McDonald Drew Stubbs Willy Taveras Would need to be offered arbitration/contract extension: Bill Bray Jared Burton Justin Lehr Nick Masset Micah Owings Kip Wells Ramon Hernandez Corky Miller Jonny Gomes Laynce Nix Players to consider protecting: SP Luis Montano Oscar Castro Leo Astorga Jordan Smith Luis Machuca James Avery Dallas Buck Ben Jukich Travis Wood Tom Cochran Alex Smit Travis Webb RP Enerio Del Rosario Sean Watson Ruben Medina Logan Ondrusek Federico Baez Greg Atencio Jeff Kennard Derrik Lutz Ben Davis Lee Tabor Phil Valiquette C Chris Denove INF Wes Bankston Logan Parker Kris Negron Miguel Rojas Chris Valaika OF Chris Heisey Sean Henry Danny Dorn Shaun Cumberland Lew Ford |
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09-10-2009, 01:48 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
I would keep the following players:
Bronson Arroyo Homer Bailey Francisco Cordero Johnny Cueto Carlos Fisher Aaron Harang Daniel Ray Herrera Sam LeCure Matt Maloney Arthur Rhodes Pedro Viola Edinson Volquez Ryan Hanigan Craig Tatum Yonder Alonso Juan Francisco Paul Janish Brandon Phillips Scott Rolen Adam Rosales Joey Votto Wladimir Balentien Jay Bruce Chris Dickerson Drew Stubbs Willy Taveras Jared Burton Justin Lehr Nick Masset Micah Owings Jonny Gomes (NOTE: I will edit the rest later because I have to get to class) |
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09-10-2009, 04:45 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
Holdovers:
Bronson Arroyo Homer Bailey Francisco Cordero Johnny Cueto Carlos Fisher Aaron Harang Daniel Ray Herrera Sam LeCure Matt Maloney Ramon Ramirez Arthur Rhodes Daryl Thompson Pedro Viola Edinson Volquez Ryan Hanigan Yonder Alonso Juan Francisco Paul Janish Brandon Phillips Scott Rolen Adam Rosales Drew Sutton Joey Votto Wladimir Balentien Jay Bruce Chris Dickerson Drew Stubbs Arbitration: Jared Burton Jonny Gomes Nick Masset Micah Owings New additions: Jordan Smith Travis Wood Enerio Del Rosario Sean Watson Logan Ondrusek Phil Valiquette Chris Valaika Chris Heisey Danny Dorn Unprotected: Chris Denove (I'd love to keep him, but the Reds could always find another Corky Miller on a minor league contract) Lee Tabor (future LOOGY at best) Alex Smit (has done a great job, but his spotty control is a concern; basically another Phil Valiquette with a less-impressive fastball) Tom Cochran (great comeback story but hasn't been anything special) Dallas Buck (can't stay healthy) Ben Jukich (future LOOGY at best) Non-tendered: Laynce Nix (easily replaceable) Bill Bray (not worth the price to keep him) DFAed: Willy Taveras (just not a good baseball player) Danny Richar (has been DFAed already once this year) Kevin Barker (solid bench option but not versatile enough to stay on the roster) Mike Lincoln (already have plenty of bullpen depth) Wilkin Castillo (just a mediocre-at-best bench player) Craig Tatum (defense is nice, but his offensive skills are horrible) |
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09-10-2009, 07:34 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
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Bronson Arroyo Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Aaron Harang Matt Maloney Jordan Smith Dallas Buck Travis Wood RP Francisco Cordero Carlos Fisher Daniel Ray Herrera Ramon Ramirez Arthur Rhodes Daryl Thompson Pedro Viola Bill Bray/Jared Burton (one or the other) Nick Masset Micah Owings Enerio Del Rosario Logan Ondrusek Phil Valiquette C Ryan Hanigan Chris Denove Ramon Hernandez or FA catcher IF Yonder Alonso Juan Francisco Paul Janish Brandon Phillips Scott Rolen Drew Sutton Joey Votto Miguel Rojas Chris Valaika OF Wladimir Balentien Jay Bruce Chris Dickerson Drew Stubbs Jonny Gomes Chris Heisey Danny Dorn 60 Day DL Edinson Volquez
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09-10-2009, 07:48 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
Tough decisions, but nice thread.
Lets start the math at 44. DFA - Taveras, McDonald, Richar, Barker, Thompson, Lincoln and Lecure Now at 37 Let walk - Lehr, Wells, Hernandez, Miller and Nix Now at 32 Add: Del Rosario Wood Heisey Denove Ondrusek Valaika Dorn Smith Puts the team at 40.
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09-10-2009, 07:56 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
I suspect that the Reds will leave a roster spot open for adding someone in the draft.
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09-10-2009, 08:04 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
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09-10-2009, 08:29 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
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Bronson Arroyo Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Aaron Harang Micah Owings Edinson Volquez Jordan Smith Travis Wood Alex Smit RP Francisco Cordero Carlos Fisher Daniel Ray Herrera Enerio Del Rosario Mike Lincoln Bill Bray Jared Burton Matt Maloney Ramon Ramirez Arthur Rhodes Logan Ondrusek Phil Valiquette C Ryan Hanigan INF Miguel Rojas Chris Valaika Yonder Alonso Juan Francisco Paul Janish Brandon Phillips Scott Rolen Adam Rosales Drew Sutton Joey Votto OF Wladimir Balentien Jay Bruce Chris Dickerson Drew Stubbs Chris Heisey Danny Dorn Jonny Gomes This would be my choice. Those released include Daryl Thompson and Dallas Buck (injuries), Pedro Viola and Sean Watson (wildness), and a host of AAAA starting filler (Kip Wells, Justin Lehr, Sam LeCure, et al). DFAs are Taveras and perhaps Burton and Bray. (Depends on Rule V Draft, really.) There is one spot open for a Rule V pick, as I think that's a great way to find a good, live arm for the pen now and perhaps the rotation later. Notice, too, the lack of a second catcher. I'd wait until after the Rule V to grab a second catcher, whether it be in a deal or as a free agent.
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09-10-2009, 09:10 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
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09-10-2009, 09:37 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
I would protect the following players:
SP Jordan Smith Travis Wood RP Enerio Del Rosario Logan Ondrusek Phil Valiquette INF Miguel Rojas Chris Valaika OF Chris Heisey Danny Dorn |
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09-11-2009, 12:24 AM
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09-11-2009, 05:16 AM
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09-14-2009, 04:13 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
Given how bad our W-L record is going to be this season, I'd like to see the Reds go with 39 guys and try to pull someone from rule V (since we will have an early pick). I admit that I am not an expert on all these prospects, but the lack of depth at the ML level in position players means we could probably carry someone next year. Maybe draft a toolsy SS or OF like the Padres did with Bip Roberts years ago. Carry him for one year and then send him down to the minors.
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09-14-2009, 06:28 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
The only Rule V picks I'd be interested in are quality arms that can be relievers now and perhaps starters later or questionably healthy bats that can be DL'ed for a majority of the season.
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09-15-2009, 11:06 PM
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Re: The Official 'Who Do We Protect from the Rule Five Draft?' Thread
What about a backup catcher if we can fenagle the roster to open up a spot without endangering someone we want to keep?
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