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RedLegSuperStar · 10-30-2009, 10:53 PM

Why not eh?

StillFunkyB · 10-30-2009, 11:18 PM

I'm tired of the "why nots", the "can't hurts", the "low risk, high rewards", the "plays the game the right ways" and all of the other Reds front office cliche labeled players.

I want a Josh Beckett. I want a CC Sabathia. I want a freaking off season player acquisition like Junior was. I want a move that even Paul Daugherty would have hard time finding something negative about.

Does that player exist in FA this year? I haven't payed close attention, but I doubt it. Even if that player was out there, AND the Reds were willing to pony up the cash, I just don't see that type of player signing here.

Ok, sorry for the rant, but there will most likely be several threads like this during the off season and I am honestly just fed up with those kind of players.

Brutus · 10-30-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StillFunkyB

I'm tired of the "why nots", the "can't hurts", the "low risk, high rewards", the "plays the game the right ways" and all of the other Reds front office cliche labeled players.

I want a Josh Beckett. I want a CC Sabathia. I want a freaking off season player acquisition like Junior was. I want a move that even Paul Daugherty would have hard time finding something negative about.

Does that player exist in FA this year? I haven't payed close attention, but I doubt it. Even if that player was out there, AND the Reds were willing to pony up the cash, I just don't see that type of player signing here.

Ok, sorry for the rant, but there will most likely be several threads like this during the off season and I am honestly just fed up with those kind of players.

Don't be fed up with those kinds of players. Those kinds of players win you championships. Don't stop chasing those kinds of players entirely.

It's just, the Reds also need the Josh Becketts of the world to win championships as well. Don't eliminate the Noah Lowry types, just try to also get the Josh Beckett types.

To answer your question, Rich Harden and John Lackey are available this offseason among others. Those are probably the high profile guys.

redsfandan · 10-31-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by StillFunkyB

I want a Josh Beckett. I want a CC Sabathia. I want a freaking off season player acquisition like Junior was...

Yeah and we all know how that worked out.

I saw that Lowry was available. Missed Hill. I'd kick the tires on them if it's on a minor league contract.

Topcat · 10-31-2009, 03:54 AM

Lowry would be my target amongst those 2 pitchers.

PuffyPig · 10-31-2009, 09:53 AM

Lowry???

Poor control, can't strike out anyone, passable only becuase he played in a huge ballpark.

Lifetime xFip near 5.

mth123 · 10-31-2009, 10:24 AM

Hill had surgery for a torn labrum not long ago. I know medicine has advanced, but the best he could expect is a minor league deal. With a number of high minors pitchers likely dealt, minor league free agents or just let go (Lehr, Wells, Vasquez, Cochran, Ward) maybe Hill as depth in AAA to see if his strengthened shoulder fixes his command problems wouldn't be a bad gamble as AAA depth. No roster spot or guaranteed money need be involved. He'll be 30 in spring training. Lowry will be 29 next season and has had albow issues that took multiple attempts to correct. I'd guess he'll only get a minor league deal as well. He'd be an even better gamble IMO.

If it takes a major league deal for either, I'd pass,

camisadelgolf · 10-31-2009, 12:30 PM

Lowry will get a major league deal, and whoever gets him, will probably regret it. Rich Hill would require a minor league deal, but I'd rather he recover from what is often a career-ending surgery on someone else's dime.

Strikes Out Looking · 10-31-2009, 03:10 PM

I'd rather go with Matt Moloney as number five until Edison is back.

mth123 · 10-31-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking

I'd rather go with Matt Moloney as number five until Edison is back.

Me too. These guys are for AAA and to see if lightening strikes.

StillFunkyB · 11-01-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redsfandan

Yeah and we all know how that worked out.

Should have worded that a little different. Junior was one of the best players in the game at the time he was acquired.

redsfandan · 11-01-2009, 01:56 AM

I should've? Why? Yeah he was one of the best players of the '90's but I had concerns about that trade when it went down and I might not have been the only one (I doubt I was). Bowden just made a mistake.

StillFunkyB · 11-01-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by redsfandan

I should've? Why? Yeah he was one of the best players of the '90's but I had concerns about that trade when it went down and I might not have been the only one (I doubt I was). Bowden just made a mistake.

Your missing the entire point.

redsfandan · 11-01-2009, 06:55 PM

Enlighten me.

flyer85 · 11-01-2009, 08:35 PM

rich hill's fastball was topping out in the mid 80s with the O's after returning from injury

10-30-2009, 10:53 PM	#1
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10-30-2009, 11:18 PM	#2
StillFunkyB Your killin' me Smalls! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 3,098	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents I'm tired of the "why nots", the "can't hurts", the "low risk, high rewards", the "plays the game the right ways" and all of the other Reds front office cliche labeled players. I want a Josh Beckett. I want a CC Sabathia. I want a freaking off season player acquisition like Junior was. I want a move that even Paul Daugherty would have hard time finding something negative about. Does that player exist in FA this year? I haven't payed close attention, but I doubt it. Even if that player was out there, AND the Reds were willing to pony up the cash, I just don't see that type of player signing here. Ok, sorry for the rant, but there will most likely be several threads like this during the off season and I am honestly just fed up with those kind of players. __________________ "And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski

10-31-2009, 03:54 AM	#5
Topcat Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,928	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents Lowry would be my target amongst those 2 pitchers. __________________ 2006 Redzone mock Draftee's- 1(st) Daniel Bard(redsox), 1(st sup)( Jordan Walden (Angels), 2(nd) rd.- Zach Britton(Orioles), 3(rd) Blair Erickson(Cardinals), 3(rd) Tim Norton( Yankees),(cuz its a Tim Hortons thing Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

10-31-2009, 09:53 AM	#6
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,748	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents Lowry??? Poor control, can't strike out anyone, passable only becuase he played in a huge ballpark. Lifetime xFip near 5.

10-31-2009, 10:24 AM	#7
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,712	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents Hill had surgery for a torn labrum not long ago. I know medicine has advanced, but the best he could expect is a minor league deal. With a number of high minors pitchers likely dealt, minor league free agents or just let go (Lehr, Wells, Vasquez, Cochran, Ward) maybe Hill as depth in AAA to see if his strengthened shoulder fixes his command problems wouldn't be a bad gamble as AAA depth. No roster spot or guaranteed money need be involved. He'll be 30 in spring training. Lowry will be 29 next season and has had albow issues that took multiple attempts to correct. I'd guess he'll only get a minor league deal as well. He'd be an even better gamble IMO. If it takes a major league deal for either, I'd pass, __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

10-31-2009, 12:30 PM	#8
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents Lowry will get a major league deal, and whoever gets him, will probably regret it. Rich Hill would require a minor league deal, but I'd rather he recover from what is often a career-ending surgery on someone else's dime.

10-31-2009, 03:10 PM	#9
Strikes Out Looking Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,267	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents I'd rather go with Matt Moloney as number five until Edison is back. __________________ The Future Is Now!

11-01-2009, 01:56 AM	#12
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents I should've? Why? Yeah he was one of the best players of the '90's but I had concerns about that trade when it went down and I might not have been the only one (I doubt I was). Bowden just made a mistake. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

11-01-2009, 06:55 PM	#14
redsfandan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,361	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents Enlighten me. __________________ "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

11-01-2009, 08:35 PM	#15
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	Re: Rich Hill & Noah Lowry Free Agents rich hill's fastball was topping out in the mid 80s with the O's after returning from injury __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

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