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GIDP · 11-15-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo

Once again, the angle at which the camera is located makes where the ball is in the frame disputable.

One photo doesnt make a case

I'm not talking about the photo but still even in that one there is a pretty strong case it crossed, but yes based on that photo you couldnt turn it over just because its a bad angle.

LoganBuck · 11-15-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

So the hand broke the plane but the ball didnt

What is so hard to understand about that? The ball is on the opposite side of the hand. Once again this thread is about conferences using the replay to push teams into bowl games, in pursuit of the all mighty dollar.

Being a UC homer, doesn't make that call indisputable. The Big East took the opportunity to give UC a tangible advantage, at the expense of the integrity of the rules of the game.

The call on the field was no touchdown, and a fumble, the video and photographic evidence that a touchdown occurred is hazy at best. To turn over the decision on the field, the video evidence must be definitive.

GIDP · 11-15-2009, 05:20 PM

You are going to tell me you can see so clearly that the hand did break it but the ball clearly didn't? Come on. How thick is a finger 1/3rd of an inch? You are willing to say the hand broke it but they stopped him 1/3rd of an inch. Come on we are really searching here I think.

Ball crossing the plane is pretty definitive. Only way its not is if you just want to say its not.

WebScorpion · 11-15-2009, 08:20 PM

It looked pretty definitive to me. Sounds like someone has an axe to grind. I hope the NFL goes to a similar system someday...the current system of limited number of protests, the hokie red flag, the sacrifice of timeouts for being incorrect...now that is ridiculous.

LoganBuck · 11-15-2009, 10:03 PM

Ok so if it was Mark Ingham having the same situation occur in the Auburn Alabama game, you would have the same reaction? I know I would, I have been upset at the instant replay manipulation all year.

Big Ten, SEC, PAC10, and Big East I am looking at you. I can honestly say I haven't seen enough Big Twelve, and ACC games to comment on them.

I hate cheaters, and these conferences are cheating.

GIDP · 11-15-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganBuck

Ok so if it was Mark Ingham having the same situation occur in the Auburn Alabama game, you would have the same reaction? I know I would, I have been upset at the instant replay manipulation all year.

Big Ten, SEC, PAC10, and Big East I am looking at you. I can honestly say I haven't seen enough Big Twelve, and ACC games to comment on them.

I hate cheaters, and these conferences are cheating.

So you are now accusing the big east refs of purposely calling it a fumble just so they could use replay to overturn it? Time to roll back the conspiracy theory because thats pretty crazy.

I cant believe you want to believe that the refs have something so deep down inside that instead of hiding some blown calls like holding they would go and make it blatant on a play they reviewed and said they got wrong.

LoganBuck · 11-15-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

So you are now accusing the big east refs of purposely calling it a fumble just so they could use replay to overturn it? Time to roll back the conspiracy theory because thats pretty crazy.

I cant believe you want to believe that the refs have something so deep down inside that instead of hiding some blown calls like holding they would go and make it blatant on a play they reviewed and said they got wrong.

No, did you read what I wrote?

The replay officials are going to rule in the interest of the conference. The officials on the field had it right, or near right. Replay manipulation creates the opportunity for conferences to cheat.

GIDP · 11-15-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganBuck

No, did you read what I wrote?

The replay officials are going to rule in the interest of the conference. The officials on the field had it right, or near right. Replay manipulation creates the opportunity for conferences to cheat.

I think you are searching too hard for something. At least pick a play where the call on the field was right instead of just saying it was right so you can go off on some conspiracy story. I didnt know we were dealing with BCS truthers around here or what ever we are going to end up calling this group.

I hope every play that is "near right" gets over turned because I'm pretty sure that is just another way of saying "wrong"

LoganBuck · 11-16-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

I think you are searching too hard for something. At least pick a play where the call on the field was right instead of just saying it was right so you can go off on some conspiracy story. I didnt know we were dealing with BCS truthers around here or what ever we are going to end up calling this group.

I hope every play that is "near right" gets over turned because I'm pretty sure that is just another way of saying "wrong"

So you think that play was indisputable, and the Big East has no interest in insuring that UC goes undefeated? OK................

Roy Tucker · 11-16-2009, 10:39 AM

I thought the whole UC-WVU game was poorly officiated. I don't think there was any grassy knoll stuff happening. I thought the refs were just bad.

SeeinRed · 11-16-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganBuck

So you think that play was indisputable, and the Big East has no interest in insuring that UC goes undefeated? OK................

I may be able to believe the Big East has an interest in UC being undefeated although that is debatable. I do not however believe the refs have any interest in the Bearcats being undefeated. Its not like bad calls are only made in favor of who the league has interest in winning. That IMO is just drawing conclusions off of a very selective series of events. In no way was that call influenced by the BE's interest to have an undefeated team.

GIDP · 11-16-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganBuck

So you think that play was indisputable, and the Big East has no interest in insuring that UC goes undefeated? OK................

Yes that play was indisputable

and yes the big east wants UC to go undefeated but to suggest that they would go about trying to fix games and do it the way you are trying to say they do it is beyond reasoning.

jimbo · 11-16-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

Yes that play was indisputable

You keep ignoring and not addressing the evidence that I keep throwing out there. The photo in this thread is the best angle available, and it cannot give you an accurate 100% viewpoint of where the ball is in reference to the goal line.

It is clearly not indisputable. Would your opinion would be the same if they had ruled touchdown on the field and overturned it? I'm sure I know what your answer is going to be after the fact, but I'm confident that UC fans would have been furious if if it had been called a touchdown on the field and overturned, as they should have been.

GIDP · 11-16-2009, 01:26 PM

Ive seen the replays and I've seen the screen caps. I dont know how you dont say thats a TD.

jimbo · 11-16-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

Ive seen the replays and I've seen the screen caps. I dont know how you dont say thats a TD.

I've explained it about 5 times in this thread.

11-15-2009, 05:20 PM	#33
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Instant Replay You are going to tell me you can see so clearly that the hand did break it but the ball clearly didn't? Come on. How thick is a finger 1/3rd of an inch? You are willing to say the hand broke it but they stopped him 1/3rd of an inch. Come on we are really searching here I think. Ball crossing the plane is pretty definitive. Only way its not is if you just want to say its not.

11-15-2009, 08:20 PM	#34
WebScorpion SERP deep cover ops Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: In the Ether Posts: 5,364	Re: Instant Replay It looked pretty definitive to me. Sounds like someone has an axe to grind. I hope the NFL goes to a similar system someday...the current system of limited number of protests, the hokie red flag, the sacrifice of timeouts for being incorrect...now that is ridiculous. __________________ "It doesn't get any better than this," --Marty Brennaman

11-15-2009, 10:03 PM	#35
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,585	Re: Instant Replay Ok so if it was Mark Ingham having the same situation occur in the Auburn Alabama game, you would have the same reaction? I know I would, I have been upset at the instant replay manipulation all year. Big Ten, SEC, PAC10, and Big East I am looking at you. I can honestly say I haven't seen enough Big Twelve, and ACC games to comment on them. I hate cheaters, and these conferences are cheating. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor Last edited by LoganBuck; 11-15-2009 at 10:07 PM.

11-16-2009, 10:39 AM	#40
Roy Tucker Be the ball Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mason, OH Posts: 11,133	Re: Instant Replay I thought the whole UC-WVU game was poorly officiated. I don't think there was any grassy knoll stuff happening. I thought the refs were just bad. __________________ The motel of lost companions Waits with heated pool and bar

11-16-2009, 01:26 PM	#44
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Instant Replay Ive seen the replays and I've seen the screen caps. I dont know how you dont say thats a TD.

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