Seattle fires Jim Mora, ESPN reporting Pete Carroll next.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

That Rooney Rule is such a fraud. It's apparently all that's holding up an announcement. It makes minorities like Leslie Frasier, the ones it's meant to help, a pawn. It puts them in a bad situation. Another "well intentioned" rule which has unintended consequences making the solution worse than the problem.

It's not designed to get a minority hired when someone like Carroll is available...it is meant to get the names of minorities out there in case someone else is looking around.

[Newport Red]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

That Rooney Rule is such a fraud. It's apparently all that's holding up an announcement. It makes minorities like Leslie Frasier, the ones it's meant to help, a pawn. It puts them in a bad situation. Another "well intentioned" rule which has unintended consequences making the solution worse than the problem.

Marvin didn't get a head coaching job the first few tries. It gets your name in the head coaching discussion for the next few years and gives you interviewing experience.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

It's not designed to get a minority hired when someone like Carroll is available...it is meant to get the names of minorities out there in case someone else is looking around.

Not only do I disagree with you, Leslie Frazier does too...


I can't believe some of you folks don't see the hypocrisy of this. I pulled this paragraph out of the ESPN story posted earlier:

Seahawks CEO Tod Leiweke had told Frazier that Carroll definitely does not have Seattle's job. Frazier had been unwilling to talk with the Seahawks about the head-coaching vacancy if Carroll had been promised full control of the Seahawks. Multiple sources indicated he had been.

Does it sound to you like Frazier did it for the "experience" of getting interviewed? Do you think he flew across the country for this interview (while preparing for his team's next playoof game) just so he could get his name out there?

No! The Seahawks had to lie to him and tell him that the Carroll deal wasn't a done deal. Interviewing for a job that you have no chance to get is not a good experience. Frasier made it clear that he wanted no part of a token interview, but just because of his race, he was lied to and took precious time away from his current job just so the Seahawks could announce this hiring.

I think it stinks and it is an injustice to Leslie Frazier. He knows he's a good coach and for that reason alone he knows teams will come calling for his services. He doesn't need lame rules like the Rooney Rule in order to get a head coaching job.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by paintmered

Looks like Carroll is getting out before the house of cards collapse leaving the next guy to deal with it all.

John Calapari is proud.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Not only do I disagree with you, Leslie Frazier does too...


I can't believe some of you folks don't see the hypocrisy of this. I pulled this paragraph out of the ESPN story posted earlier:



Does it sound to you like Frazier did it for the "experience" of getting interviewed? Do you think he flew across the country for this interview (while preparing for his team's next playoof game) just so he could get his name out there?

No! The Seahawks had to lie to him and tell him that the Carroll deal wasn't a done deal. Interviewing for a job that you have no chance to get is not a good experience. Frasier made it clear that he wanted no part of a token interview, but just because of his race, he was lied to and took precious time away from his current job just so the Seahawks could announce this hiring.

I think it stinks and it is an injustice to Leslie Frazier. He knows he's a good coach and for that reason alone he knows teams will come calling for his services. He doesn't need lame rules like the Rooney Rule in order to get a head coaching job.

If Frazier does not agree with my premise, then Frazier is a fool for partaking in such an event. (No seriously...why in the world would he go out there in the midst of a playoff season if he knew he wasn't going to get the gig) There was no gun to his head...he could have easily declined. Truth is...now, many more people (media in particular) know the name Leslie Frazier. And for that Frazier is grateful.

Look my friend, I was not presenting my opinion...I was presenting a fact. The Rooney Rule was designed to get the names of minorities "out there", with the end result being more minorities would eventually be hired.

If you want to argue whether the rule is good or not...thats another question...but in the Pete Carroll case, although Carroll had the job from day 1, now many more people know the name Leslie Frazier. That is the result of the Rooney Rule. It was not designed to prevent teams or impede teams from making a seemingly easy choice.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Interviewing for a job that you have no chance to get is not a good experience. Frasier made it clear that he wanted no part of a token interview, but just because of his race, he was lied to and took precious time away from his current job just so the Seahawks could announce this hiring.

I think it stinks and it is an injustice to Leslie Frazier. He knows he's a good coach and for that reason alone he knows teams will come calling for his services. He doesn't need lame rules like the Rooney Rule in order to get a head coaching job.

Agree.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

If Frazier does not agree with my premise, then Frazier is a fool for partaking in such an event. (No seriously...why in the world would he go out there in the midst of a playoff season if he knew he wasn't going to get the gig) There was no gun to his head...he could have easily declined. Truth is...now, many more people (media in particular) know the name Leslie Frazier. And for that Frazier is grateful.

Look my friend, I was not presenting my opinion...I was presenting a fact. The Rooney Rule was designed to get the names of minorities "out there", with the end result being more minorities would eventually be hired.

If you want to argue whether the rule is good or not...thats another question...but in the Pete Carroll case, although Carroll had the job from day 1, now many more people know the name Leslie Frazier. That is the result of the Rooney Rule. It was not designed to prevent teams or impede teams from making a seemingly easy choice.

If you and I knew Pete Carroll had the job all along, how could Leslie Frazier not have?

You dispute your own point when you said Frazier is a fool for being used. I agree 100%. Because of this Rooney rule, we're discussing (and agreeing) that this minority candidate is a fool for being used. How is that good for the minority candidate?

He didn't need this interview for notoriety. He's been mentioned as a potential head coach for years not because of his race but because of his coaching abilities. To say that good coaches like Frazier need to go through these hoops in order to get hired someday just because he's black is a insult, in my opinion.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

If you and I knew Pete Carroll had the job all along, how could Leslie Frazier not have?

You dispute your own point when you said Frazier is a fool for being used. I agree 100%. Because of this Rooney rule, we're discussing (and agreeing) that this minority candidate is a fool for being used. How is that good for the minority candidate?

He didn't need this interview for notoriety. He's been mentioned as a potential head coach for years not because of his race but because of his coaching abilities. To say that good coaches like Frazier need to go through these hoops in order to get hired someday just because he's black is a insult, in my opinion.

If Frazier thought he had a chance in this interview...he is a fool. But he went anyway, yes, as the token candidate, to promote himself.

I do not think he was "used".

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

I do not think he was "used".

I disagree and I'll tell you why.

1)Seattle had to lie to him to even get him there.

2)Seattle needed him to interview before they could announce the hiring.

3)Frazier gets interviewed in good faith, takes time away from his team preparing for the playoffs and goes home empty handed

Seattle gets the coach they want while satifying their requirements under the Rooney Rule. Frazier gets nothing but FF miles out of the deal.

If I were him I would feel used.

If Pete Carroll is not announced as Seattle's head coach I'll come around to your way of thinking, Kal...

[BRM]

The LA Times is reporting that Pete Carroll to Seattle is a done deal.

[traderumor]

Look for the gauntlet to drop on USC football as a soon to follow announcement. I have little doubt that he is getting out of Dodge with this move.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Wow, Sea Ray and I agree a lot so far in 2010. What the heck is going on?

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by traderumor

Look for the gauntlet to drop on USC football as a soon to follow announcement. I have little doubt that he is getting out of Dodge with this move.

I agree 100%. I am not a USC fan at all. Haven't been since they torched OSU two years in a row. But I do think that college football is better with Carroll than without Carroll. I always saw Carroll as a likable guy who knew how to get most out of his players. I think he will struggle again in the NFL and think USC's program will suffer in the next handful of years.

[LoganBuck]

Reggie Bush just met with the NCAA.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...yhoo&type=lgns

[Chip R]

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

Reggie Bush just met with the NCAA.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...yhoo&type=lgns

About time.