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Benihana · 02-09-2010, 05:03 PM

And who will reach the bigs (as a SP) first?

thorn · 02-09-2010, 05:10 PM

I took Leake, seems like someone that has a better chance to stay healthy and could develope into a Maddox type pitcher (Control vs. Power) and have a longer career. I think Chapman could have better seasons, just not a long career, IMO.

TRF · 02-09-2010, 05:12 PM

Hey, I love whining about losing Stewart as much as the next guy, but he's gone. Why not have Wood in the poll instead?

Benihana · 02-09-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TRF

Hey, I love whining about losing Stewart as much as the next guy, but he's gone. Why not have Wood in the poll instead?

While I like Travis Wood, I think it is pretty clear that Wood's upside is not as high as these three.

I would vote both Leake and Chapman ahead of Stewart. If the results corroborate that, people will have to ask themselves if they're happy (in hindsight) with the way things worked out. Assuming Rolen can stay healthy for at least 100 games in these next couple years- and that's a big assumption- I can now say that I am (and I hated the trade at the time.)

Would I have made that trade? No way. Am I now relatively pleased with how it shook out? I think so.

Of course, we can revisit this two years from now, and there might be an entirely different picture.

dougdirt · 02-09-2010, 05:26 PM

I went with Leake. He has the lowest upside of the three, but he is far and away the safest too. He can already throw multiple pitches for strikes (so can Stewart). He has shown he can throw 140 innings in a season (neither of the other two have).

OnBaseMachine · 02-09-2010, 05:32 PM

I'll go Chapman, Leake, and Stewart in that order. And I think very highly of Stewart, I just think Chapman and Leake will be better. I see Chapman as a bondafide number one starter and Leake as a very solid number two starter. Stewart also has the upside of a number two starter, or he could be a dominant back-end bullpen arm, it all depends on where he's needed.

Mario-Rijo · 02-09-2010, 06:10 PM

Chapman, Stewart, Leake is the order of how I think they will turn out if they all were to reach their ceilings. But I am the type who goes with the odds and I think Leake has the best odds to have a good solid career.

Scrap Irony · 02-09-2010, 07:59 PM

Chapman has the best stuff and is youngest (something we overlook in its importance). He's also going to pitch for an apparently decent squad for at least the next five years. Because of his contract, even if he stinks, he'll be given every shot to produce. None of this mentions that he's left-handed, and, despite doug's insistence that it means nothing, lefties with plus stuff are rarer and therefore more likely to be struggled against. (And lefties with his stuff are rare indeed-- I can think of none in the majors with his reported FB.)

Leake has a high floor and is likely to be at least decent, but he's small and small pitchers can flame out quickly.

Stewart has had a good minor league season.

mth123 · 02-09-2010, 08:03 PM

Chapman, Stewart, Leake, Wood in that order.

camisadelgolf · 02-09-2010, 09:45 PM

I think Stewart will reach the majors first, and I think Leake will have the best career.

RED VAN HOT · 02-09-2010, 10:15 PM

Leake. I agree with the view that he has the lowest ceiling, but the highest probability of a long career.

From what I have read about him, Leake seems like a level headed, student of the game who finds ways to win.

bucksfan2 · 02-10-2010, 10:22 AM

1. Leake
2. Chapman
3. Wood

Don't think Stewart will see much time as a starter. I think what puts Leake over the top is his athleticism. Chapman is a wild card but has the best pure stuff. Wood I think could be an end of the rotation starter or a change of pace starter.

edabbs44 · 02-11-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

I went with Leake. He has the lowest upside of the three, but he is far and away the safest too. He can already throw multiple pitches for strikes (so can Stewart). He has shown he can throw 140 innings in a season (neither of the other two have).

Agreed as I went with Leake also.

fearofpopvol1 · 02-12-2010, 01:30 PM

Leake...for the reasons Doug mentioned. He's the surest bet of the bunch, even if his ceiling is the lowest.

KoryMac5 · 02-12-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

I think Stewart will reach the majors first, and I think Leake will have the best career.

I agree with that assessment, and voted for Stewart as well. Rumors have it that Toronto is looking to deal some young pitching which could open the door for Stewie to slide in.

View Poll Results: Who will have a better career as a STARTING pitcher?
Aroldis Chapman	54	43.90%
Mike Leake	62	50.41%
Zach Stewart	7	5.69%
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02-09-2010, 05:03 PM	#1
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02-09-2010, 05:10 PM	#2
thorn Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California Posts: 371	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? I took Leake, seems like someone that has a better chance to stay healthy and could develope into a Maddox type pitcher (Control vs. Power) and have a longer career. I think Chapman could have better seasons, just not a long career, IMO.

02-09-2010, 05:12 PM	#3
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,676	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Hey, I love whining about losing Stewart as much as the next guy, but he's gone. Why not have Wood in the poll instead? __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

02-09-2010, 05:26 PM	#5
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,713	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? I went with Leake. He has the lowest upside of the three, but he is far and away the safest too. He can already throw multiple pitches for strikes (so can Stewart). He has shown he can throw 140 innings in a season (neither of the other two have). __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

02-09-2010, 05:32 PM	#6
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? I'll go Chapman, Leake, and Stewart in that order. And I think very highly of Stewart, I just think Chapman and Leake will be better. I see Chapman as a bondafide number one starter and Leake as a very solid number two starter. Stewart also has the upside of a number two starter, or he could be a dominant back-end bullpen arm, it all depends on where he's needed.

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Mario-Rijo HOF CLASS OF '12 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 8,994	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Chapman, Stewart, Leake is the order of how I think they will turn out if they all were to reach their ceilings. But I am the type who goes with the odds and I think Leake has the best odds to have a good solid career. __________________ 2008 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2009 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2010 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." --Woody Hayes

02-09-2010, 07:59 PM	#8
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Chapman has the best stuff and is youngest (something we overlook in its importance). He's also going to pitch for an apparently decent squad for at least the next five years. Because of his contract, even if he stinks, he'll be given every shot to produce. None of this mentions that he's left-handed, and, despite doug's insistence that it means nothing, lefties with plus stuff are rarer and therefore more likely to be struggled against. (And lefties with his stuff are rare indeed-- I can think of none in the majors with his reported FB.) Leake has a high floor and is likely to be at least decent, but he's small and small pitchers can flame out quickly. Stewart has had a good minor league season. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

02-09-2010, 08:03 PM	#9
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,684	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Chapman, Stewart, Leake, Wood in that order. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

02-09-2010, 09:45 PM	#10
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? I think Stewart will reach the majors first, and I think Leake will have the best career.

02-09-2010, 10:15 PM	#11
RED VAN HOT Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 928	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Leake. I agree with the view that he has the lowest ceiling, but the highest probability of a long career. From what I have read about him, Leake seems like a level headed, student of the game who finds ways to win.

02-10-2010, 10:22 AM	#12
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,616	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? 1. Leake 2. Chapman 3. Wood Don't think Stewart will see much time as a starter. I think what puts Leake over the top is his athleticism. Chapman is a wild card but has the best pure stuff. Wood I think could be an end of the rotation starter or a change of pace starter.

02-12-2010, 01:30 PM	#14
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,628	Re: Which "Top Pitching Prospect" will have the better career? Leake...for the reasons Doug mentioned. He's the surest bet of the bunch, even if his ceiling is the lowest.

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