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OldRightHander · 06-18-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Revering4Blue

Julius Erving says hello.

He could play a little.

Roy Tucker · 06-18-2010, 10:42 AM

That game last night really wasn't representative of the NBA these days. They do play better basketball than that.

The defenses were suffocating, everyone seemed fatigued, the refs seemed to let every kind of thuggery go uncalled, and *nobody* played good offense.

Scrap Irony · 06-18-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Revering4Blue

Julius Erving says hello.

Thought about him. Shaq, too. Same with Russell, Wilkins, and Barkley.

How about Alex English? Gervin? Maravich?

Is Kobe Top 25 right now? Top 15?

Jack Burton · 06-18-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cedric

I'm just glad to realize I haven't missed much now that I don't watch the NBA regularly. The league is at it's all time worst. Hopefully there is a work stoppage and the game declines to the point of no return.

Agreed 100%.

Revering4Blue · 06-18-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Thought about him. Shaq, too. Same with Russell, Wilkins, and Barkley.

How about Alex English? Gervin? Maravich?

Is Kobe Top 25 right now? Top 15?

Top 15?

No.

Top 25?

Maybe.

Barkley, English et. all shouldn't be penalized for not winning championships, considering the era in which they played. Heck, Bob Lanier in his prime would be considered the best Center in the league if he played today.

Back to the original point.

Kobe as best Laker ever?

No way, at least as this point.

However, I may be in the minority, but I'm not even certain that the Shaq-Kobe championship squads could beat this Laker team in a seven game series.

Razor Shines · 06-18-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

If Kobe is in that group, he's the lowest on the totem pole.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Karl Malone
7. Moses Malone
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Isiah Thomas
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

I don't think Bryant is anywhere near any of these guys, nor is it really questionable. Kobe's not only not in the top tier, he's not even in that next group down.

Bryant's TO ratio (especially for someone who isn't a point guard) and his remarkably poor shooting (and shot selection) keep him from being top 10.

That's one of the silliest things I've seen in a while. Kobe's as good as or better all those guys not named Michael or Magic.

Karl Malone? Without John Stockton Karl Malone is a pretty good NBA player, but not great.

I can't believe I'm defending Kobe, I don't even like him or the Lakers.

Scrap Irony · 06-18-2010, 01:14 PM

The next time Kobe shoots 50% will be the first time. His career field goal percentage is .455.

That's it.

He takes an absolute ton of shots as well.

He's Allen Iverson with a few more inches on his frame and a better rebounding percentage.

Is that good? Absolutely. It's even great. Top 25 of all time, IMO.

But I don't think he's Top 10 nor even Top 15.

cumberlandreds · 06-18-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Thought about him. Shaq, too. Same with Russell, Wilkins, and Barkley.

How about Alex English? Gervin? Maravich?

Is Kobe Top 25 right now? Top 15?

Jerry West and Oscar Robertson say hello!

improbus · 06-18-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor Shines

That's one of the silliest things I've seen in a while. Kobe's as good as or better all those guys not named Michael or Magic.

Karl Malone? Without John Stockton Karl Malone is a pretty good NBA player, but not great.

I can't believe I'm defending Kobe, I don't even like him or the Lakers.

I agree 100%. Every great NBA player has a "yeah, but..."
MJ has Pippen
Magic has Kareem
Bird has Mchale
etc...
You can't blame Kobe for playing with great players. That is not his fault.

Scrap Irony · 06-18-2010, 10:36 PM

How am I arguing that the only reason Kobe's in the Top 25 players of all time because of the players around him?

He's great, I admit.

But I don't think he's top 10 yet. That's it.

Cedric · 06-18-2010, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

How am I arguing that the only reason Kobe's in the Top 25 players of all time because of the players around him?

He's great, I admit.

But I don't think he's top 10 yet. That's it.

I don't think he is close either. I'm not someone that thinks championships matter much.

Oscar, MJ, Magic, and Bird are clearly better perimeter players, IMO.

Kingspoint · 06-18-2010, 11:35 PM

I despise the Lakers.

WVRed · 06-19-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cedric

This is why the NBA has lost a ton of fans. I tried to watch this garbage and had to turn it off.

Players that don't have any fundamental skills. Ray Allen is caught reaching in and fouling Kobe on a HUGE 3 pointer. Later he reaches again and misses and gives Kobe a wide open shot.

One good thing about this is Kobe can't be even mentioned with Jordan.
I'm lucky to have grown up with Jordan, Magic, and Isaiah. Kobe isn't in their league. Kobe HAS to have great players around him to win.

For everybody who is saying this, keep one thing in mind about MJ, the Jordan Rules.

Jordan tried to win by himself, but it wasn't until he had Scottie Pippen and others that the Bulls really broke through.

reds44 · 06-19-2010, 02:50 PM

Kobe HAS to have great players around him? Uhh....what? Jordan didn't win anything until he got one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history on his team. Is Gasol anywhere near the player Pippen was? No.

Please. The Kobe hate is unbelievable.

reds44 · 06-19-2010, 03:32 PM

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...805310CHI.html

Jordan was 9-25 against the Pacers in Game 7.
10-15 from the line too.

Love how people forget about this kind of stuff.

06-18-2010, 10:42 AM	#557
Roy Tucker Be the ball Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mason, OH Posts: 11,126	Re: The Official Redszone NBA Playoff Thread, now with more accuracy! That game last night really wasn't representative of the NBA these days. They do play better basketball than that. The defenses were suffocating, everyone seemed fatigued, the refs seemed to let every kind of thuggery go uncalled, and nobody played good offense. __________________ The motel of lost companions Waits with heated pool and bar

06-18-2010, 01:14 PM	#562
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: The Official Redszone NBA Playoff Thread, now with more accuracy! The next time Kobe shoots 50% will be the first time. His career field goal percentage is .455. That's it. He takes an absolute ton of shots as well. He's Allen Iverson with a few more inches on his frame and a better rebounding percentage. Is that good? Absolutely. It's even great. Top 25 of all time, IMO. But I don't think he's Top 10 nor even Top 15. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

06-18-2010, 10:36 PM	#565
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: The Official Redszone NBA Playoff Thread, now with more accuracy! How am I arguing that the only reason Kobe's in the Top 25 players of all time because of the players around him? He's great, I admit. But I don't think he's top 10 yet. That's it. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

06-18-2010, 11:35 PM	#567
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