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jojo · 05-04-2010, 10:10 AM

To be absolutely fair, Dye seems to have passed on several teams as well.

GIDP · 05-04-2010, 10:20 AM

Because hes unwilling to accept that he really isnt worth 8 digits anymore.

Benihana · 05-04-2010, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRF

there is a reason EVERY team passed on him.

So I guess you wouldn't have wanted Pedro Martinez last year, either.

Just because a veteran doesn't have a job in April doesn't mean he can't contribute more than what you currently have. My guess is that Dye won't be unemployed for much longer, and there is a good chance he will be better than the flack we are currently running out there for 2/3 of our outfield.

TRF · 05-04-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benihana

So I guess you wouldn't have wanted Pedro Martinez last year, either.

Just because a veteran doesn't have a job in April doesn't mean he can't contribute more than what you currently have. My guess is that Dye won't be unemployed for much longer, and there is a good chance he will be better than the flack we are currently running out there for 2/3 of our outfield.

Not at the cost he is demanding. Pedro chose where he wanted to go, but there were no rumors of him to the Yankees or even Red Sox that I remember. I just don't think teams feel Dye will hold up or not be a defensive liability.

camisadelgolf · 05-04-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRF

there is a reason EVERY team passed on him.

Race?
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-is-an-issue/1

jojo · 05-04-2010, 11:11 AM

Please, lets not take this thread....THERE

lollipopcurve · 05-08-2010, 09:50 AM

Pitching on 4 days rest for the 2nd straight time (following an outing on 12 days rest), Stewart has another clunker for AA New Hampshire:

3 IP, 5 hits, 5 ER, 4 BB, 3 K, 1 HR

Through 5 starts and 23 innings, Stewart's ERA sits at 6.94 with 26 hits, 11 BB and 5 HR allowed.

JaxRed · 05-08-2010, 10:03 AM

Almost sounds like he is hurt

Benihana · 05-08-2010, 10:39 AM

Sounds like the Homer Bailey of AA.

camisadelgolf · 05-08-2010, 12:33 PM

Sounds like he's lacking in command and breezed through the lower minors based on only his stuff.

dougdirt · 05-08-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Sounds like he's lacking in command and breezed through the lower minors based on only his stuff.

Yet with the Reds, he dominated AA and had a 6.8% walk rate. Something is off with him. Just don't know what it is.

lollipopcurve · 05-08-2010, 12:56 PM

May be injured. the 12-day layoff was an obvious red flag. TINSTAAPP is a cliche worth remembering, even if Stewart wins the Cy Young award someday.

Benihana · 05-08-2010, 07:54 PM

Doesn't matter to me whether he is hurt or it is general ineffectiveness. Either one corroborates TINSTAAPP.

Risk of injury is just as much worth worrying about as risk of ineffectiveness. Stewart is clearly suffering from (at least) one of these problems.

kpresidente · 05-09-2010, 08:55 AM

My objection to the trade still stands. I always thought Rolen would be an upgrade, and defended him against other objectors who thought he wouldn't produce, but the point was that I didn't think the Reds would be good enough in the coming few seasons for it to matter. Sure enough, Rolen's playing lights out, and we're sitting at around .500.

In the meantime, our much-vaunted young staff (Bailey, Volquez, and Cueto) are disappointing to say the least, and having another potential starter like Stewart in the pipelines would be a boon. Ditto for the Roenicke and the pen. Nick Massett ain't exactly the superstar everybody thought he was. Carlos Fisher hasn't panned out. In addition, we've got people saying we should trade BP to open up a spot for Frazier (!?), and nobody knows what to do with Francisco. In my world, they would platoon at 3B for years to come. Years when we might actually have all the pieces come together well enough to win something.

klw · 05-09-2010, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benihana

TINSTAAPP!
.

TINSTAAPP?
HUH?

05-04-2010, 10:10 AM	#121
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,569	Re: Zach Stewart's progress To be absolutely fair, Dye seems to have passed on several teams as well. __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

05-04-2010, 10:20 AM	#122
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Because hes unwilling to accept that he really isnt worth 8 digits anymore.

05-04-2010, 11:11 AM	#126
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,569	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Please, lets not take this thread....THERE __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

05-08-2010, 09:50 AM	#127
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,482	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Pitching on 4 days rest for the 2nd straight time (following an outing on 12 days rest), Stewart has another clunker for AA New Hampshire: 3 IP, 5 hits, 5 ER, 4 BB, 3 K, 1 HR Through 5 starts and 23 innings, Stewart's ERA sits at 6.94 with 26 hits, 11 BB and 5 HR allowed. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

05-08-2010, 10:03 AM	#128
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,228	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Almost sounds like he is hurt

05-08-2010, 10:39 AM	#129
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,421	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Sounds like the Homer Bailey of AA. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

05-08-2010, 12:33 PM	#130
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Sounds like he's lacking in command and breezed through the lower minors based on only his stuff.

05-08-2010, 12:56 PM	#132
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,482	Re: Zach Stewart's progress May be injured. the 12-day layoff was an obvious red flag. TINSTAAPP is a cliche worth remembering, even if Stewart wins the Cy Young award someday. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

05-08-2010, 07:54 PM	#133
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,421	Re: Zach Stewart's progress Doesn't matter to me whether he is hurt or it is general ineffectiveness. Either one corroborates TINSTAAPP. Risk of injury is just as much worth worrying about as risk of ineffectiveness. Stewart is clearly suffering from (at least) one of these problems. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

05-09-2010, 08:55 AM	#134
kpresidente Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,421	Re: Zach Stewart's progress My objection to the trade still stands. I always thought Rolen would be an upgrade, and defended him against other objectors who thought he wouldn't produce, but the point was that I didn't think the Reds would be good enough in the coming few seasons for it to matter. Sure enough, Rolen's playing lights out, and we're sitting at around .500. In the meantime, our much-vaunted young staff (Bailey, Volquez, and Cueto) are disappointing to say the least, and having another potential starter like Stewart in the pipelines would be a boon. Ditto for the Roenicke and the pen. Nick Massett ain't exactly the superstar everybody thought he was. Carlos Fisher hasn't panned out. In addition, we've got people saying we should trade BP to open up a spot for Frazier (!?), and nobody knows what to do with Francisco. In my world, they would platoon at 3B for years to come. Years when we might actually have all the pieces come together well enough to win something.

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