Cairo

[RedLakerFan24]

Get Cairo out out of the team, i hate him, stupid baker plays him over Jansh

[Redus]

Theres no good reason why Miguel Cairo made this team....no reason..NONE. Cant hit,cant field,cant run and he's old. WTF Walt? Really? Miguel Freakin Cairo? For Gods sake get this guy the hell out of here..he's worthless:thumbdown

[Redeye fly]

Walt likes former Cardinals like Dusty likes fast center fielders who can't hit.

Obviously Rolen has worked out. Cairo has not.

[goreds2]

I do admit that Cairo has to go. Hitting is a crap shoot with a vetern. I was hoping he could at least field the ball and be reliable.

[brachial pleXUs]

I'm going to say it: He's worse than Juan Castro.

[sivman17]

I'd send down Cairo tomorrow and call up Valaika. He is raking down in Louisville. There's really no reason for Cairo to be on this team.

[Griffey012]

Not that I like Cairo at all...but w/o his basehit we never score 8 in the 2nd,

[Redus]

Originally Posted by Griffey012

Not that I like Cairo at all...but w/o his basehit we never score 8 in the 2nd,

Even a blind squirrel comes across an acorn once in a while. Get Cairo outta here. Were actually contending..gimme a better bench guy than this old scrub for the love of god.

[nemesis]

Originally Posted by brachial pleXUs

I'm going to say it: He's worse than Juan Castro.

Juan Castro fields that ball cleanly and turns a DP...

Juan's OPS .578

Cairo's OPS .418 after his Career day at the plate today.

Janish's OPS .836

[Jack Burton]

Originally Posted by Redus

Even a blind squirrel comes across an acorn once in a while. Get Cairo outta here. Were actually contending..gimme a better bench guy than this old scrub for the love of god.

Exactly, you can't leave pieces like this around because dusty uses them.

[mlh1981]

but he has "veteran intangibles."

[markymark69]

I thought he would do a little better than he has done. Agreed, it's time to move on to somebody else. The bench is still the one glaring weakness on this team. Outside of Nix, there is no pop, except when Gomes doesn't play and everybody else is a defensive replacement or pinch-runner type.

[nemesis]

Originally Posted by markymark69

I thought he would do a little better than he has done. Agreed, it's time to move on to somebody else. The bench is still the one glaring weakness on this team. Outside of Nix, there is no pop, except when Gomes doesn't play and everybody else is a defensive replacement or pinch-runner type.

I disagree. Heisey is showing some pop. I like a bench that starts with Nix and Heisey. Both have pop in the bats, both have the ability to play Avg to Plus Defense in all three spots. Both have plus arms. Heisey has speed. Hanigan or Hernandez are both High OBP guys of the bench and Janish has a Plus Plus arm and a Plus glove at all 3 IF positions and has shown an improved eye at the dish with occasional doubles power.

Our bench isn't all that bad. It's the constant misuse of the worst player on the bench in Cairo.

Cairo in his career has OBP over .314 just 3 times in his 14 years in the league. 7 times he has been at .300 or below. So it has to be for his glove right? For his Career he is a huge negative defender in the OF and just above water in the IF. This year he is at a negative in the 2 positions he has played as a fill in 1B and of course 3B. Here is the thing that'll make you sick. He has earned over 9 million in his career for this "production"...

Janish on the other hand has plus plus rating in about the same sample size on defense.

So he has no bat, he doesn't have pitch patience, he has no glove, he has no speed.

Yet he has 3 starts at 3B and 5 overall. He has been a defensive replacement 7 times.

Janish? 6 times he started and this shocked me, only 8 times a defensive replacement.

So the guy with a career negative UZR is held in the same regard as someone who has a plus UZR at all 3 IF skill positions defensively?

There is a huge hole at the end of the bench, a hole that alot teams have. But our hole is a glaring weakness that is misused and because of that, it burns into us as fans so much deeper. If he was used as a 25th man like he is, we wouldn't give two shakes. But the faults that Dusty has in his Managing style (Bullpen misuse, Saving his big guns on the bench for later vs with the bases loaded in the 6th and down by 2) put Cairo in a no win situation with us.

Walt has to be baseball savvy enough to notice this. Dusty has won this team alot of games with some very bold moves, but his faith in himself and his decisions and his love of the paper stat (Saves, RBI's, SB's, In Scoring Postion Percentage, veteran savvyness) are archaic and hurt this team time and time again...

[markymark69]

Originally Posted by nemesis

I disagree. Heisey is showing some pop. I like a bench that starts with Nix and Heisey. Both have pop in the bats, both have the ability to play Avg to Plus Defense in all three spots. Both have plus arms. Heisey has speed. Hanigan or Hernandez are both High OBP guys of the bench and Janish has a Plus Plus arm and a Plus glove at all 3 IF positions and has shown an improved eye at the dish with occasional doubles power.

Our bench isn't all that bad. It's the constant misuse of the worst player on the bench in Cairo.

Cairo in his career has OBP over .314 just 3 times in his 14 years in the league. 7 times he has been at .300 or below. So it has to be for his glove right? For his Career he is a huge negative defender in the OF and just above water in the IF. This year he is at a negative in the 2 positions he has played as a fill in 1B and of course 3B. Here is the thing that'll make you sick. He has earned over 9 million in his career for this "production"...

Janish on the other hand has plus plus rating in about the same sample size on defense.

So he has no bat, he doesn't have pitch patience, he has no glove, he has no speed.

Yet he has 3 starts at 3B and 5 overall. He has been a defensive replacement 7 times.

Janish? 6 times he started and this shocked me, only 8 times a defensive replacement.

So the guy with a career negative UZR is held in the same regard as someone who has a plus UZR at all 3 IF skill positions defensively?

There is a huge hole at the end of the bench, a hole that alot teams have. But our hole is a glaring weakness that is misused and because of that, it burns into us as fans so much deeper. If he was used as a 25th man like he is, we wouldn't give two shakes. But the faults that Dusty has in his Managing style (Bullpen misuse, Saving his big guns on the bench for later vs with the bases loaded in the 6th and down by 2) put Cairo in a no win situation with us.

Walt has to be baseball savvy enough to notice this. Dusty has won this team alot of games with some very bold moves, but his faith in himself and his decisions and his love of the paper stat (Saves, RBI's, SB's, In Scoring Postion Percentage, veteran savvyness) are archaic and hurt this team time and time again...

I forgot about Heisey for a moment. Agreed, I like him. Janish is a defensive replacement at best and I consider Hanigan/Hernandez basically as one because they play every other day and you wouldn't use them as a pinch-hitter in the sixth or seventh inning unless you were going to bring in them in a game.

And Owings, at the end of the day is still a pitcher. He can hit a little bit, but in a clutch situation if he's all you got - I don't know that you have much.

[nemesis]

Originally Posted by markymark69

I forgot about Heisey for a moment. Agreed, I like him. Janish is a defensive replacement at best and I consider Hanigan/Hernandez basically as one because they play every other day and you wouldn't use them as a pinch-hitter in the sixth or seventh inning unless you were going to bring in them in a game.

And Owings, at the end of the day is still a pitcher. He can hit a little bit, but in a clutch situation if he's all you got - I don't know that you have much.

I just put in another thread that having someone like Castillo even with his weak bat adds to the bench for his other intangible other than pinch hitting.

Dont sell Janish short. He has shown improvement thru Spring Training and his very limited playing time this year at the plate. He had a horrible BABIP last year of .241 if that normalized to around .320 he'd be a .250 .325 .350 guy. With his glove that's above acceptable.

Oh I have to agree on the Owings thing for sure. He has been all kinds of misused this year in both roles. Him and Janish musta lit a bag o pooh on Dusty's managerial doorstep together or something.