6/15/10 - Reds vs Dodgers Game Thread

[Matt700wlw]

That's what the radar suggests.

[toledodan]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Disagree. Things are blow out of proportion obviously because he's struggling so badly tonight. But when he's on, he's VERY good.

if any pitcher is ON they are good. the problem with harang he is just stuck in the off position.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by toledodan

on a playoff team he's not a number 4 or 5 starter.

Well the team we are fighting with has Suppan as it's #4 starter, #5 unknown.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Maybe because in his last 9 starts he is 5-2 with a 3.93 ERA, 44-13 K/W ratio.

The most runs he's given up in any of those 9 games is 4.

There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

[RANDY IN INDY]

It's very hard to watch Harang pitch right now. Not only does he have nothing stuff, but his pace on the mound puts me to sleep. I can imagine what it does to his fielders.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by redsfaninbsg

You think Harang is VERY good when he's on? He's pitched in what my opinion the best he's capable of in the last nine starts and his era is still around 4. That's VERY good?

No, this is where we disagree. He wasn't "on" his last 9 starts. He was in between. I think we've all seen Aaron when he's ON his game. Just like we're seeing him off it tonight.

This isn't saying that I don't think he'll be the first guy we trade once Edinson becomes ready (or someone else).

[toledodan]

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Well the team we are fighting with has Suppan as it's #4 starter, #5 unknown.

but he is there because of injuries not because he was top 5 coming out of the spring.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

No, this is where we disagree. He wasn't "on" his last 9 starts. He was in between. I think we've all seen Aaron when he's ON his game. Just like we're seeing him off it tonight.

This isn't saying that I don't think he'll be the first guy we trade once Edinson becomes ready (or someone else).

Yeah he was on his game 3-4 years ago.

That Harang is long gone.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by reds44

There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

His era is over 5. Which is why I'm saying he's like a #4 starter or so. As for his record the last 2 years...let's not get into win loss record. I think everybody here knows how useless the "W" stat is.

[CTA513]

He doesn't have a pitch he can consistently throw for strikes other than his fastball.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

His era is over 5. Which is why I'm saying he's like a #4 starter or so. As for his record the last 2 years...let's not get into win loss record. I think everybody here knows how useless the "W" stat is.

12-31 can't be ignored.

[Gallen5862]

Is the score 3-0? Have the Reds come up to bat yet?

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Gallen5862

Is the score 3-0? Have the Reds come up to bat yet?

Yes. Phillips is up with 1 out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by reds44

Yeah he was on his game 3-4 years ago.

That Harang is long gone.

Agreed. THAT Harang ain't coming back. But he's still a decent pitcher and a useful pitcher. He's HIGHLY overpaid for the production he's putting out the past 3 years, that's for certain. But his stats are still decent for a #4 or so.

[PuffyPig]

Originally Posted by reds44

There it is! I knew somebody was going to do it eventually. Nevermind the fact his ERA for the year is well over 5 this year and his record the last two years was 12-31, lets pick out nine starts.

The last 9 starts, after a poor start, indicates he was trending in the right direction.

His ERA last year was 4.21.

You are looking at his first 4 starts this year, otherwise his ERA is around 4 for about 40 starts.

You are more guilty of doing what you claim I have done.