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_Sir_Charles_ · 07-04-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nemesis

In the end what Jocketty does will probably be the right thing.

He hasn't made a bad trade yet as GM of the Reds.

Some questionable signings, but got value for Griffey, Dunn,
Encarnacion and even moved Taveras. So if he gets Lee, I'm
Sure he will get value for the deal. I just hope hope hope Wood
Is still a Red after the deal is made. Cause the deal is going to happen.

Didn't he also bring IN Taveras?

Degenerate39 · 07-04-2010, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Didn't he also bring IN Taveras?

I thought Krivsky did that?

_Sir_Charles_ · 07-04-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Degenerate39

I thought Krivsky did that?

I don't think so, but I'll go back and double check.

Just checked. Yep, it was Walt. Krivsky was fired in April 2008. Willy, Lincoln, Ramon & Rhodes all brought in in December 2008.

Not all his moves were rosy. Just like Krivsky's weren't all garbage either. Both guys have their strong points.

HokieRed · 07-04-2010, 10:22 AM

It was Jocketty.

NJReds · 07-04-2010, 10:24 AM

The longer the Mariners wait to trade Lee, the lower the price gets. More starts = more prospects, IMO.

The Reds can't afford to trade their best prospects for a two month rental. If he had one year left on his deal after this year, then I start talking about the A+ prospects. Some combo of Frazier, Maloney, Heisey, Francisco as the anchor of the deal that should be enough to get it done. If not, I pass.

I haven't heard in NY anything more than possibly Mejia (AA pitching prospect who's now missing time with shoulder problems) and some AA prospect. Pagan is a media-created rumor. The Mets really like what he adds to the team. The Yankees might offer Montero, who is an offensive catching prospect that is struggling defensively and might need to move to first base.

toledodan · 07-04-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Ugh...if we are gona play that game I could say we would be getting Lee for simply a rule 5 pick.

I'd hate to trade EV, but give us a sound argument.

its not an argument, just my personal feelings on the matter. watching hamilton tear it up playing centerfield just grabs at me. i want to win now as much as anyone, but that trade still sticks with me. as someone else said we can't worry about what prospects will be where in a couple of seasons. this is our best chance to contend and we need to go for it. if volquez is a main piece than so be it.

Tom Servo · 07-04-2010, 11:58 AM

Apparently Buster Olney's insider blog today suggested that Jack Z could be looking at all sorts of ways to deal Lee. He suggested that he could ask the Reds to make some of their 'excellent young pitching' to Milwaukee and then Jack Z could land some of his 'former' Brewers prospects in Seattle.

HokieRed · 07-04-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toledodan

if we trade volquez i will be one pi$$ed fan! it would be like giving josh hamilton away for a rental player.

What's Volquez contributed to our being in first place? That's the argument for trading him. As to the Hamilton trade, I didn't like it either, still don't, but that's no reason to compound the mistake by packing off Wood and prospects for a Cliff Lee rental. Frankly, if I were making the call, I'd stand pat and try to win it with what we have.

TRF · 07-04-2010, 01:53 PM

Does anyone remember Juan Guzman? BJ Ryan hada nice career, but I don't lament that trade one iota.

Alonso, Wood and Sappelt for Lee. And IMO that's a good haul for the M's.

RedLegSuperStar · 07-04-2010, 05:22 PM

After Lee's start today I can't see value deminishing.. I agree Alonso and Wood have to be there.. Maybe throw in Frazier or Mesaraco.

nemesis · 07-04-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Didn't he also bring IN Taveras?

Yes but in that post I did say he has had some questionible signings. Taveras and Lincoln we the two I was commenting on. But then again he did get Hernandez for Freel and parts, Rhodes for the cheap and Gomes on the cheaper.

HokieRed · 07-04-2010, 05:31 PM

Are Alonso, Wood, and Mesaroco worth the difference between Lee and Volquez, which is who he'll likely replace in the rotation? (assuming Arroyo, Harang, Cueto, and Leake remain in)

RedLegSuperStar · 07-04-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Are Alonso, Wood, and Mesaroco worth the difference between Lee and Volquez, which is who he'll likely replace in the rotation? (assuming Arroyo, Harang, Cueto, and Leake remain in)

Volquez hasn't made a big league start this year.. Cliff Lee takes over for Leake and oddly enough are on the same schedule. Harang is to inconsistant and might get dealt for fodder if Lee is obtained.

Lee
Cueto
Volquez
Arroyo
Bailey/Harang/Leake

Homer Bailey · 07-05-2010, 12:28 PM

Walt signed some autographs before boarding the bus after the game yesterday. I may or may not have gotten a Cliff Lee chant going amongst the crowd while he was standing there. He grinned.

reds44 · 07-05-2010, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

Walt signed some autographs before boarding the bus after the game yesterday. I may or may not have gotten a Cliff Lee chant going amongst the crowd while he was standing there. He grinned.

You are my hero lol

07-04-2010, 10:22 AM	#394
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,047	Re: Cliff Lee It was Jocketty.

07-04-2010, 10:24 AM	#395
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,408	Re: Cliff Lee The longer the Mariners wait to trade Lee, the lower the price gets. More starts = more prospects, IMO. The Reds can't afford to trade their best prospects for a two month rental. If he had one year left on his deal after this year, then I start talking about the A+ prospects. Some combo of Frazier, Maloney, Heisey, Francisco as the anchor of the deal that should be enough to get it done. If not, I pass. I haven't heard in NY anything more than possibly Mejia (AA pitching prospect who's now missing time with shoulder problems) and some AA prospect. Pagan is a media-created rumor. The Mets really like what he adds to the team. The Yankees might offer Montero, who is an offensive catching prospect that is struggling defensively and might need to move to first base. __________________ "The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson

07-04-2010, 11:58 AM	#397
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,397	Re: Cliff Lee Apparently Buster Olney's insider blog today suggested that Jack Z could be looking at all sorts of ways to deal Lee. He suggested that he could ask the Reds to make some of their 'excellent young pitching' to Milwaukee and then Jack Z could land some of his 'former' Brewers prospects in Seattle. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

07-04-2010, 01:53 PM	#399
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,673	Re: Cliff Lee Does anyone remember Juan Guzman? BJ Ryan hada nice career, but I don't lament that trade one iota. Alonso, Wood and Sappelt for Lee. And IMO that's a good haul for the M's. __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

07-04-2010, 05:22 PM	#400
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Cliff Lee After Lee's start today I can't see value deminishing.. I agree Alonso and Wood have to be there.. Maybe throw in Frazier or Mesaraco. __________________ "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans 2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L 2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L 2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L 2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

07-04-2010, 05:31 PM	#402
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,047	Re: Cliff Lee Are Alonso, Wood, and Mesaroco worth the difference between Lee and Volquez, which is who he'll likely replace in the rotation? (assuming Arroyo, Harang, Cueto, and Leake remain in)

07-05-2010, 12:28 PM	#404
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,604	Re: Cliff Lee Walt signed some autographs before boarding the bus after the game yesterday. I may or may not have gotten a Cliff Lee chant going amongst the crowd while he was standing there. He grinned.

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