ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

cjtenn28 · 07-14-2010, 09:34 AM

This question was just posed to him. He said that the Reds need to make a move for another bat and one player that he thinks would be a good fit is Jose Bautista from Toronto. He said he is having a career year, we can ride him while he's hot and with our surplus of pitching can get him.

What say you all about this deal? He is having a career year and the Reds can insert him into the OF with Bruce and Stubbs/Heisey. Gomes and Nix off the bench.

G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS GO/AO
SEASON 88 304 55 72 165 17 2 24 56 54 2 68 3 2 .237 .361 .543 .903 0.59
CAREER 663 2058 296 490 866 107 10 83 267 274 11 502 17 11 .238 .334 .421 .755 0.84

The Voice of IH · 07-14-2010, 09:40 AM

sounds like someone is being a homer.

texasdave · 07-14-2010, 09:45 AM

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        gm   ab   r   h  tb  2b 3b hr rbi bb ibb  so sb cs  avg  obp  slg  ops go/ao 
season  88  304  55  72 165  17  2 24  56  54  2  68  3  2 .237 .361 .543 .903 0.59 
career 663 2058 296 490 866 107 10 83 267 274 11 502 17 11 .238 .334 .421 .755 0.84

It was too early in the morning for me to read the other one.

cjtenn28 · 07-14-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by texasdave

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        gm   ab   r   h  tb  2b 3b hr rbi bb ibb  so sb cs  avg  obp  slg  ops go/ao 
season  88  304  55  72 165  17  2 24  56  54  2  68  3  2 .237 .361 .543 .903 0.59 
career 663 2058 296 490 866 107 10 83 267 274 11 502 17 11 .238 .334 .421 .755 0.84

It was too early in the morning for me to read the other one.

LOL!! Thanks Dave. I was trying to edit and fix that, but you beat me to it.

texasdave · 07-14-2010, 09:56 AM

Firstly, that is a very AdamDunn-ish line for Bautista this year. (.237/.361/.543/.903.)
Secondly, having lived through the steroid era I am pretty cynical when players start hitting at a level they never sniffed before in their career. Here are his SLG numbers from the last five seasons. All of which he has had (or will reach) at least 400 PA.

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AGE	PA	SLG
25	469	0.420
26	614	0.414
27	424	0.405
28	404	0.408
29	366	0.543

One of those numbers looks completely out of place to me. His career SLG coming into this season was exactly .400. Is his 2010 legitimate? Maybe. Will he fall back to earth? Probably. I wouldn't take the chance.

And, having said that, he will probably go on a second-half tear. =)

GIDP · 07-14-2010, 10:11 AM

Yes lets take advice from that guy of all people.

brm7675 · 07-14-2010, 10:42 AM

I really don't see Walt making a major deal. I see some minor ones picking up maybe a bench/role player who plays the infield and maybe a bullpen arm, but nothing huge like the rolen deal of last year.

BringDownMugabe · 07-14-2010, 10:45 AM

Bautista is due for a horrible 2nd half. Pass.

brm7675 · 07-14-2010, 11:49 AM

couldn't you say the same for Rolen and Orlando and Gomes?

DaytonFlyer · 07-14-2010, 11:54 AM

We have a whole team full of guys hitting above their career numbers. We don't need another one. They're all due to regress to the mean at some point, let's just hope some of them don't.

Not to mention, hitting .237? I thought we re-did our team to get rid of guys like that.

BringDownMugabe · 07-14-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brm7675

couldn't you say the same for Rolen and Orlando and Gomes?

Rolen and Gomes at least have a track record of success. And I don't know where you've been, but Orlando has already started to regress. He keeps up his pace, he'll be flat on the Mendoza line in no time. Bautista has played out of his mind this half -- no way he keeps it up in the 2nd half.

brm7675 · 07-14-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BringDownMugabe

And I don't know where you've been, but Orlando has already started to regress. He keeps up his pace, he'll be flat on the Mendoza line in no time. .

I think Dusty would disagree..

GIDP · 07-14-2010, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brm7675

I think Dusty would disagree..

Hes due, you saw how he was hitting earlier this year? Guy is just injured.

texasdave · 07-14-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

Hes due, you saw how he was hitting earlier this year? Guy is just injured.

Then the 3-day rest should do him good. I doubt if he finishes the year over .650 OPS. If you look at his game-by-game stats, after the third game of the year he has never topped the .700 OPS mark. I think he is a mid-30s shortstop that is showing his age. I hope he proves me wrong. One thing I do know is that Dusty will keep running him out there come hell or high water.

07-14-2010, 09:34 AM	#1
cjtenn28 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ashland, KY Posts: 38	ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? This question was just posed to him. He said that the Reds need to make a move for another bat and one player that he thinks would be a good fit is Jose Bautista from Toronto. He said he is having a career year, we can ride him while he's hot and with our surplus of pitching can get him. What say you all about this deal? He is having a career year and the Reds can insert him into the OF with Bruce and Stubbs/Heisey. Gomes and Nix off the bench. G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS GO/AO SEASON 88 304 55 72 165 17 2 24 56 54 2 68 3 2 .237 .361 .543 .903 0.59 CAREER 663 2058 296 490 866 107 10 83 267 274 11 502 17 11 .238 .334 .421 .755 0.84 Last edited by cjtenn28; 07-14-2010 at 09:42 AM. Reason: add stats

07-14-2010, 09:40 AM	#2
The Voice of IH Lets Go 'Bird' Hunting Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The University of Akron Posts: 1,105	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? sounds like someone is being a homer. __________________ Hey Sparky! Indian Hill English teachers taught me everything I know! Numbers behind the Debate: Small Ball vs. Long Ball

07-14-2010, 09:45 AM	#3
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,561	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? Code: gm ab r h tb 2b 3b hr rbi bb ibb so sb cs avg obp slg ops go/ao season 88 304 55 72 165 17 2 24 56 54 2 68 3 2 .237 .361 .543 .903 0.59 career 663 2058 296 490 866 107 10 83 267 274 11 502 17 11 .238 .334 .421 .755 0.84 It was too early in the morning for me to read the other one.

07-14-2010, 09:56 AM	#5
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,561	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? Firstly, that is a very AdamDunn-ish line for Bautista this year. (.237/.361/.543/.903.) Secondly, having lived through the steroid era I am pretty cynical when players start hitting at a level they never sniffed before in their career. Here are his SLG numbers from the last five seasons. All of which he has had (or will reach) at least 400 PA. Code: AGE PA SLG 25 469 0.420 26 614 0.414 27 424 0.405 28 404 0.408 29 366 0.543 One of those numbers looks completely out of place to me. His career SLG coming into this season was exactly .400. Is his 2010 legitimate? Maybe. Will he fall back to earth? Probably. I wouldn't take the chance. And, having said that, he will probably go on a second-half tear. =) Last edited by texasdave; 07-14-2010 at 09:58 AM. Reason: one more thought.

07-14-2010, 10:11 AM	#6
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? Yes lets take advice from that guy of all people.

07-14-2010, 10:42 AM	#7
brm7675 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,666	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? I really don't see Walt making a major deal. I see some minor ones picking up maybe a bench/role player who plays the infield and maybe a bullpen arm, but nothing huge like the rolen deal of last year.

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BringDownMugabe Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 70	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? Bautista is due for a horrible 2nd half. Pass.

07-14-2010, 11:49 AM	#9
brm7675 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,666	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? couldn't you say the same for Rolen and Orlando and Gomes?

07-14-2010, 11:54 AM	#10
DaytonFlyer Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 230	Re: ESPN's J.P. Riccardi... What do the Reds need to do to stay in it? We have a whole team full of guys hitting above their career numbers. We don't need another one. They're all due to regress to the mean at some point, let's just hope some of them don't. Not to mention, hitting .237? I thought we re-did our team to get rid of guys like that.

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