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bucksfan2 · 07-22-2010, 03:29 PM

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...act-in-august/

Discuss.

I actually think Dusty has done a pretty good job with this Reds club. He may not be more "old school" than many like, but I also think he has overseen the club as they have gone from afterthoughts to contenders.

That said I would hesitate to give him an extension until at least late August. The last think I would want to happen is to extend Dusty for another 3 years only to see the team tank down the stretch. I remember Narron and Boone both got extensions way too early and the Reds were stuck eating their respective contracts.

I would hope for a 2 year max extension and wouldn't want to go any further than that. I don't want to see anything similar to what SD did. While I think a manager often gets too much blame (and credit if you will) I do think there are times when the situation becomes stale and new blood is needed. If the Reds end up 10+ games over .500 this season I wouldn't have an issue with Dusty being the manager through the 2012 season. Anything longer than that would be a mistake.

Falls City Beer · 07-22-2010, 03:36 PM

Dusty's gotten as much out of this club as is likely possible. But I'd rather not listen to people grouse about him next year, so I probably wouldn't extend him.

Cedric · 07-22-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Dusty's gotten as much out of this club as is likely possible. But I'd rather not listen to people grouse about him next year, so I probably wouldn't extend him.

He's rode some extreme luck on a decent team. I don't understand paying big money for a manager.. Ever.

Falls City Beer · 07-22-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedric

He's rode some extreme luck on a decent team. I don't understand paying big money for a manager.. Ever.

Call it luck, call it what you will. My take is that the most a manager can do is hurt a club by overtinkering. To that end, Dusty's gotten out of the team's way and let them play as well as they can. In other words, he does what a good manager does. But yeah, I have no real desire to pay a manager big bucks.

BRM · 07-22-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Dusty's gotten as much out of this club as is likely possible. But I'd rather not listen to people grouse about him next year, so I probably wouldn't extend him.

People will grouse about the replacement too. It's the nature of the beast. I agree with your first point though.

The Voice of IH · 07-22-2010, 04:02 PM

The Reds have been gotten better and better every year under Dusty, but you have got to remember the rotation next year (or at least I hope is the rotation)

Volquez
Cueto
Leake
Wood
Chapman (if he is ready, Arroyo if he is not)

If the accusations are true, and Baker does not know how to use and keep young arms healthy, this is not the team for him.

Redlegs · 07-22-2010, 05:27 PM

Dusty's done a GREAT job. He deserves an extention. Period.

Redhook · 07-22-2010, 10:14 PM

I'd prefer they let him and spend the money elsewhere. Dusty may be a good clubhouse presence, but he's not very bright when it comes to game-management, line-up construction, and bullpen usage.

Red in Chicago · 07-22-2010, 10:17 PM

let him go back to the cubs

reds44 · 07-22-2010, 10:25 PM

He deserves an extension. That's all that really needs to be said.

REDblooded · 07-22-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlegs

Dusty's done a GREAT job. He deserves an extention. Period.

This line of thought is insane... He's gotten some great play, and with the Cardinals really only being a so-so team this season it's made him look better than he is...

He still makes horrible line-up decisions that outweigh any solid managing he's done thus far... I tried to give him a pass in the first half, but with guys getting hurt, some of his roster decisions have been baffling to say the least...

Also, his grinding of Coco's arm in April, and the same with Bailey last season have proven to have their effect...

REDblooded · 07-22-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Redhook

I'd prefer they let him and spend the money elsewhere. Dusty may be a good clubhouse presence, but he's not very bright when it comes to game-management, line-up construction, and bullpen usage.

This...

He would make one heck of a bench coach... But as a guy that's expected to make all of the right moves, he comes out looking lost at times...

KronoRed · 07-22-2010, 11:01 PM

Name Rolen manager, spent the dusty money elsewhere.

corkedbat · 07-22-2010, 11:28 PM

I get as frustrated as anyone with Dusty, but if you axe the maanger for a team's underachievement then conversely, Dusty probably deserves an extension for this season. I'll join other's in not liking the salary - Dusty or anyone else.

kaldaniels · 07-22-2010, 11:31 PM

Voice of reason here. If the Reds have a winning record at season's end, Dusty will come back if he chooses to. You just don't fire/let go a manager who has guided you to your franchise's first winning record in over a decade. So get it all out of your system now, because if the Reds have a winning record and Walt extends Dusty that doesn't make Walt incompetent.

07-22-2010, 03:29 PM	#1
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,620	Dusty and a contract extension http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...act-in-august/ Discuss. I actually think Dusty has done a pretty good job with this Reds club. He may not be more "old school" than many like, but I also think he has overseen the club as they have gone from afterthoughts to contenders. That said I would hesitate to give him an extension until at least late August. The last think I would want to happen is to extend Dusty for another 3 years only to see the team tank down the stretch. I remember Narron and Boone both got extensions way too early and the Reds were stuck eating their respective contracts. I would hope for a 2 year max extension and wouldn't want to go any further than that. I don't want to see anything similar to what SD did. While I think a manager often gets too much blame (and credit if you will) I do think there are times when the situation becomes stale and new blood is needed. If the Reds end up 10+ games over .500 this season I wouldn't have an issue with Dusty being the manager through the 2012 season. Anything longer than that would be a mistake.

07-22-2010, 03:36 PM	#2
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: Dusty and a contract extension Dusty's gotten as much out of this club as is likely possible. But I'd rather not listen to people grouse about him next year, so I probably wouldn't extend him.

07-22-2010, 04:02 PM	#6
The Voice of IH Lets Go 'Bird' Hunting Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The University of Akron Posts: 1,105	Re: Dusty and a contract extension The Reds have been gotten better and better every year under Dusty, but you have got to remember the rotation next year (or at least I hope is the rotation) Volquez Cueto Leake Wood Chapman (if he is ready, Arroyo if he is not) If the accusations are true, and Baker does not know how to use and keep young arms healthy, this is not the team for him. __________________ Hey Sparky! Indian Hill English teachers taught me everything I know! Numbers behind the Debate: Small Ball vs. Long Ball Last edited by The Voice of IH; 07-22-2010 at 04:09 PM.

07-22-2010, 05:27 PM	#7
Redlegs Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Scout Seats Posts: 702	Re: Dusty and a contract extension Dusty's done a GREAT job. He deserves an extention. Period. __________________ As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

07-22-2010, 10:14 PM	#8
Redhook Miami Redhawks Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincy Posts: 2,247	Re: Dusty and a contract extension I'd prefer they let him and spend the money elsewhere. Dusty may be a good clubhouse presence, but he's not very bright when it comes to game-management, line-up construction, and bullpen usage. __________________ "....the two players I liked watching the most were Barry Larkin and Eric Davis. I was suitably entertained by their effortless skill that I didn't need them crashing into walls like a squirrel on a coke binge." - dsmith421 www.kylevoska.com - Golfer? Check out my blog for golf tips.

07-22-2010, 10:17 PM	#9
Red in Chicago Oy Vey! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,252	Re: Dusty and a contract extension let him go back to the cubs

07-22-2010, 10:25 PM	#10
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,674	Re: Dusty and a contract extension He deserves an extension. That's all that really needs to be said.

07-22-2010, 11:01 PM	#13
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,344	Re: Dusty and a contract extension Name Rolen manager, spent the dusty money elsewhere. __________________ Go Gators!

07-22-2010, 11:28 PM	#14
corkedbat Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lexington Posts: 4,952	Re: Dusty and a contract extension I get as frustrated as anyone with Dusty, but if you axe the maanger for a team's underachievement then conversely, Dusty probably deserves an extension for this season. I'll join other's in not liking the salary - Dusty or anyone else.

07-22-2010, 11:31 PM	#15
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,331	Re: Dusty and a contract extension Voice of reason here. If the Reds have a winning record at season's end, Dusty will come back if he chooses to. You just don't fire/let go a manager who has guided you to your franchise's first winning record in over a decade. So get it all out of your system now, because if the Reds have a winning record and Walt extends Dusty that doesn't make Walt incompetent.

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