RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion  

Go Back   RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion > Baseball > The Sun Deck

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-10-2010, 02:45 PM   #1
takealeake
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 220
Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

If the salaries evened up? I would do it in a heartbeat. I saw this on MLB Trade Rumors:

From 2001-2008, Carlos Beltran was at least a five-win player every year except for '05. Even last year, despite missing July and August with a bone bruise behind his knee, Beltran provided value. However, the Mets and Beltran battled about his decision to have January knee surgery, a procedure that delayed his 2010 debut until July 15th. Beltran's first 90 plate appearances and 180 innings in center field have gone so poorly that David Waldstein of the New York Times says the Mets would let him go for nothing if a team claims him off waivers this month.

Waldstein finds a waiver claim "extremely unlikely," as Beltran is owed over $5.5MM this year and $18.5MM in 2011 before his contract is up. He has a full no-trade clause. Waldstein expects the Mets to be open to trading Beltran this winter but believes the outfielder's salary will be an impediment. He suggests the Mets would be reluctant to assume much of Beltran's contract in a trade.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/


Cordero gets paid $12 mil next year, so the Mets would have to even up the salaries a bit more in some way. Would definitely do this deal if they're down with it.
takealeake is offline   Reply With Quote
Turn Off Ads?
Old 08-10-2010, 02:50 PM   #2
redssince75
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 555
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

I would trade Francisco Cordero for Mario Mendoza.
redssince75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 02:53 PM   #3
PhatHead
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Jacksonville, Ohio
Posts: 51
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Nevermind Carlos Beltran; I would trade him for Carlos Santana. At least we would have good music during the 7th inning stretch.
__________________
----------
"If God had intended us to drink beer, he would have given us stomachs." - David Daye
PhatHead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:02 PM   #4
TheBigLebowski
Winning the Human Race
 
TheBigLebowski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Titletown, FL
Posts: 3,819
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

No. Money won't work out and the Mets don't really need him. Furthermore, it appears to me that Beltran is done. Why take on all that salary or, basically swap the salary responsibilites for two overpaid players when we'd be the ones getting back the player of lesser value? FC is definitely a heart attack waiting to happen, but he's still a leverage arm and he's saved a lot of games. These days, Beltran has done little else but occupy a DL slot and collect phat bank.

I'd be all for moving Cordero in the right deal, but this isn't it.
__________________
Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

Last edited by TheBigLebowski; 08-10-2010 at 03:04 PM.
TheBigLebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:08 PM   #5
OpeningDay
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 12
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

In a second...and I would even throw a prospects in there for good measure.
OpeningDay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:11 PM   #6
takealeake
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 220
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski View Post
No. Money won't work out and the Mets don't really need him. Furthermore, it appears to me that Beltran is done. Why take on all that salary or, basically swap the salary responsibilites for two overpaid players when we'd be the ones getting back the player of lesser value? FC is definitely a heart attack waiting to happen, but he's still a leverage arm and he's saved a lot of games. These days, Beltran has done little else but occupy a DL slot and collect phat bank.

I'd be all for moving Cordero in the right deal, but this isn't it.
No way Cordero is more value than Beltran. Last year Beltran hit .325/.415/.500 and was an All Star. He's been to the All Star game 4 of the past 5 years, gold glove 3 of those years, and is just coming off injury this year, and is still only 33 years old. I would definitely take that over a guy who is one of the worst closers in the game. If the Mets want to unload him that bad, I would definitely give them Cordero for them, even if we took on an extra $3 mil or so. He would be a great LF'er for us next season when he recovers.
takealeake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:39 PM   #7
Vottomatic
All work and no play.....
 
Vottomatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lebanon
Posts: 6,976
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

If the Reds could get the Mets to throw in some money, such as about $5 to $7M, I would definitely think about it. The closer to a wash the $$$ is, makes me more willing to do it.

Swapping two struggling players isn't unheard of. They want him gone, and we want Cordero gone.

I'm not completely sold that Beltran is finished. He's only 33 years old and is just coming off injury recovery slowly. He's a $20M type player when he's healthy and hitting.

It wouldn't surprise me to see some kind of deal done in the offseason if the Mets are willing to make some concessions.
__________________
"I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

"Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread
Vottomatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:41 PM   #8
redsfan_12
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Logan/Huntington, WV
Posts: 458
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

I would rather trade Cordero for Hanley Ramirez
__________________
Cincinnati Reds
Marshall Thundering Herd

Kentucky Wildcats
Indianapolis Colts

Washington Wizards
redsfan_12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 03:46 PM   #9
brm7675
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,666
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

NO, nothing else needs to be said.
brm7675 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 04:25 PM   #10
KOBasinger
Johnny Cueto Fan
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Fairfield, Ohio
Posts: 264
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

I'd trade him for more $1 stands at GABP
__________________
TWITTER : @KOBasinger
KOBasinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 05:12 PM   #11
1990REDS
Member
 
1990REDS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 472
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
If the Reds could get the Mets to throw in some money, such as about $5 to $7M, I would definitely think about it. The closer to a wash the $$$ is, makes me more willing to do it.

Swapping two struggling players isn't unheard of. They want him gone, and we want Cordero gone.

I'm not completely sold that Beltran is finished. He's only 33 years old and is just coming off injury recovery slowly. He's a $20M type player when he's healthy and hitting.

It wouldn't surprise me to see some kind of deal done in the offseason if the Mets are willing to make some concessions.

I agree, plus i think a change of scenery might do both players some good.
1990REDS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 05:36 PM   #12
bagz
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Peekskill,NY
Posts: 112
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

I would trade him for one of the Bad News Bears. All sillyness aside I would do it in a Red Heartbeat. The Mets would have to kick in at least 3.5 to 4 mill. He's still young enough to be able to bounce back. He was a premier center fielder in the league for a while. Imagine the defense with him in there. I'm not talking about putting him in center. I would put him in left field.
bagz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 05:40 PM   #13
bshall2105
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 860
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Yeah I think we should trade an overpaid closer, that is struggling this year and will probably be worse in the next, for a guy that would be by far our best outfielder. YES nothing else needs to be said.
bshall2105 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 05:56 PM   #14
Hondo
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Weatherford, Texas
Posts: 2,125
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Interesting Trade~!
Hondo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2010, 06:06 PM   #15
Rijo's Ghost
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 268
Re: Would you trade Francisco Cordero for Carlos Beltran?

Absolutely

If Beltran is even half as good as he has been over the duration of his career he's as valuable as Cordero. Closers are far and away the most over valued commodity in baseball.
Rijo's Ghost is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!

RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball

Contact us: Boss | GIK | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | MBZags | Plus Plus | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25