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BuckeyeRedleg · 08-17-2010, 10:53 PM

Baseball is so funny. Umps give second basemen and shortstops the phantom tag of 2B on DP's, but they're going to get picky on this?

It wasn't like he wasn't going to score and he gained an unfair advantage. Plus, it looks to close to call that anyway. Give me a break.

dsmith421 · 08-17-2010, 10:53 PM

Stubbs gave the ump a chance to screw him, whether or not he scraped the base on the way by. He's got to be more careful.

Phillips missed an absolute cookie on the second last pitch of his at-bat. Montero called for it at his eyes and Hudson threw it straight down Broadway.

durl · 08-17-2010, 10:53 PM

I didn't see his foot touch the bag but I also couldn't tell that it didn't. Interesting.

fearofpopvol1 · 08-17-2010, 10:53 PM

The evidence is NOT conclusive as to whether he did or didn't touch the bag. Unbiasedly, I think he touched the bag though.

The homeplate ump should not be making that call.

TheNext44 · 08-17-2010, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durl

I can't see his foot hitting the bag. Sorry.

But can you see it definitely not touching the bag? That's the standard for calling him out. You have to definitively see him not touch the bag to overrule the call. There is no way the ump could say that he saw Stubbs not touch the bag.

Red in Chicago · 08-17-2010, 10:55 PM

let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

mbgrayson · 08-17-2010, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNext44

But can you see it definitely not touching the bag? That's the standard for calling him out. You have to definitively see him not touch the bag to overrule the call. There is no way the ump could say that he saw Stubbs not touch the bag.

Why is that the standard? He is not over-ruling anyone, it was a call of first impression. (Although wrong.)

Reds Fanatic · 08-17-2010, 10:55 PM

I went back and if he missed it was by an inch. Definetly was too close for the home plate ump to see.

Parra doubles to right center.

LoganBuck · 08-17-2010, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red in Chicago

let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

Mohawk Grenade

Chip R · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

You have to think the 3rd baseman saw it, otherwise why appeal?

Cyclone792 · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

Arroyo just gives up a double to a Corey Taveras type hitter. This game has all the makings of being a complete disaster.

BuckeyeRedleg · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNext44

There is no way that the ump could clearly see whether he touched the bag or not.

Bullcrap call.

He has no right to make that call. It has to be clear cut. If we can't tell in super slow motion in HD, how the heck can the home plate ump claim that he saw it definitively enough to call him out.

I'll say it again...

Bullcrap call.

Agree. Another ump that wants attention.

"Look at me Mom, I'm making a controversial call."

I knw something would go wrong when Stubbs looked back after he crossed home. That and we're on the West coast and we got that curse going for us. Oh well.

jesusfan · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

1 down in the 9th for the brewers..

kbrake · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

So annoyed with that call. If you're going to make that call you better be damn sure you saw it and off the replays I don't see any possible way that was the case.

mbgrayson · 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red in Chicago

let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do?

a) move
b) tell him to shut up
c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up
d) ignore him

if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

D-Backs announcers say that guy is always there, never profane, and allowed to do that stuff. (?).

08-17-2010, 10:53 PM	#151
BuckeyeRedleg Will post for food Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 5,088	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks Baseball is so funny. Umps give second basemen and shortstops the phantom tag of 2B on DP's, but they're going to get picky on this? It wasn't like he wasn't going to score and he gained an unfair advantage. Plus, it looks to close to call that anyway. Give me a break.

08-17-2010, 10:53 PM	#152
dsmith421 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,066	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks Stubbs gave the ump a chance to screw him, whether or not he scraped the base on the way by. He's got to be more careful. Phillips missed an absolute cookie on the second last pitch of his at-bat. Montero called for it at his eyes and Hudson threw it straight down Broadway.

08-17-2010, 10:53 PM	#153
durl Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nashvull Posts: 1,743	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks I didn't see his foot touch the bag but I also couldn't tell that it didn't. Interesting.

08-17-2010, 10:53 PM	#154
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,625	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks The evidence is NOT conclusive as to whether he did or didn't touch the bag. Unbiasedly, I think he touched the bag though. The homeplate ump should not be making that call.

08-17-2010, 10:55 PM	#156
Red in Chicago Oy Vey! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,246	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks let's pretend you're sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of tonight's screaming fan...what do you do? a) move b) tell him to shut up c) ask an usher to tell him to shut up d) ignore him if it's me, i probably just ignore him, since he's probably severely intoxicated, and any confrontation is likely to cause a fight...

08-17-2010, 10:55 PM	#158
Reds Fanatic Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Piqua, OH Posts: 16,437	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks I went back and if he missed it was by an inch. Definetly was too close for the home plate ump to see. Parra doubles to right center.

08-17-2010, 10:56 PM	#160
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,211	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks You have to think the 3rd baseman saw it, otherwise why appeal? __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

08-17-2010, 10:56 PM	#161
Cyclone792 Playoffs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 6,233	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks Arroyo just gives up a double to a Corey Taveras type hitter. This game has all the makings of being a complete disaster. __________________ *Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012* *Put an end to the Lost Decade.*

08-17-2010, 10:56 PM	#163
jesusfan Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Grayson, Ky Posts: 6,130	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks 1 down in the 9th for the brewers.. __________________ "There is a great man who makes every man feel small. But the real great man is the man who makes every man feel great." G.K Charleston

08-17-2010, 10:56 PM	#164
kbrake Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,908	Re: 8/17- Reds @ Diamondbacks So annoyed with that call. If you're going to make that call you better be damn sure you saw it and off the replays I don't see any possible way that was the case.

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