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SidneySlicker · 09-02-2010, 09:03 AM

I get chills thinking about it. According to Walt Jockety last night this is still the plan of the organization. I have a couple of questions reguarding this. He really only has 2 pitches right now. I think even with his stuff he needs a 3rd. Also he'll have pitched the last 3 months of the season out of the pen, is arm strength gonna be a problem? Which brings me to this. Does the Missile start out in triple A or does he start out in the Cincy rotation despit these factors?

DaytonFlyer · 09-02-2010, 09:13 AM

He definitely needs a 3rd pitch if he is going to start.

KOBasinger · 09-02-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaytonFlyer

He definitely needs a 3rd pitch if he is going to start.

He has a fastball,slider and changeup.

crazyjdawg · 09-02-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KOBasinger

He has a fastball,slider and changeup.

He had a changeup at the beginning of the year.

I haven't seen one from him in his 2 appearances.

And to be honest, it was a pretty bad to average changeup.

mlh1981 · 09-02-2010, 09:24 AM

Follow the David Price plan.

Captain13 · 09-02-2010, 09:26 AM

In Louisville, it appeared he was throwing 4 pitches when he started. A superb fastball, clocking 98-101. A decent slider at 83-86. A bad changeup at 88-92 (hitters treated it like a batting practice fastball), and a slow curve that hitters feasted on. I watched him struggle with control of all 4 pitches and get beat like a drum in one of his last starts. If he can master either one of those other two pitches, he will be unhittable at any level.

PhillipsHead · 09-02-2010, 10:19 AM

Randy Johnson only had two pitches...that worked out pretty good for him.

And his slider looks eerily close to Johnson's...

Wiggidy · 09-02-2010, 10:27 AM

Yeah, he only needs that fastball and slider.

Orodle · 09-02-2010, 10:28 AM

Randy Johnson pretty much had two pitches most of his career so no doubt Chapman could do it. Johnson did add a 2 seamer later in his career though.

ThornWithin81 · 09-02-2010, 10:41 AM

You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate.

Pitchers add pitches to their arsenal to deceive hitters via multiple looks. A guy who throws a 92mph fastball with little movement needs four or five pitches to keep hitters guessing. Otherwise they can sit on that fastball and crush it. Chapman's fastball is so blazing fast that hitters have to get started extra early. When the expected fastball turns out to be the hook... sit down, you're committed.

He's thrown two innings and no one has made solid contact on anything. Strikeouts and easy choppers to infielders. No worries, yet. I think he could start with just his current arsenal.

EddieMilner · 09-02-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThornWithin81

You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate.

...and if you are a southpaw.

He definitely is capable of starting if he can average a 99 mph + fastball for 7 innings, but that really is the question. He is able to go all out for an inning, but what kind of stamina can he have over a longer outing?

For his career it would be best to add another above average pitch, as I know I'm only 30 and my body can't do what it could 8 years ago. Also that 3rd pitch would help tremendously in early season outings when its a little colder and your arm isn't as loose and the gun sits at 97 mph or so.

Pony Boy · 09-02-2010, 11:08 AM

This is a pretty fun read on Chapman's 2nd outing:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/to...appearance.php

GIDP · 09-02-2010, 11:10 AM

He could probably be a good pitcher even with his 2 pitches right now. Most pitchers only throw their 3rd pitch something like 5% of the time, and at most 10%.

Captain13 · 09-02-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GIDP

He could probably be a good pitcher even with his 2 pitches right now. Most pitchers only throw their 3rd pitch something like 5% of the time, and at most 10%.

Very good point. Even Bronson throws his "fast"ball more than half the time. As I said on another thread, I haven't been this excited about a young Red since Larkin.

GIDP · 09-02-2010, 11:33 AM

It all depends on how good the 2 pitches are. Plus plus fastballs and sliders are going to be better than a pitcher with 4 average pitches.

09-02-2010, 09:03 AM	#1
SidneySlicker Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 520	Chapman as a starter I get chills thinking about it. According to Walt Jockety last night this is still the plan of the organization. I have a couple of questions reguarding this. He really only has 2 pitches right now. I think even with his stuff he needs a 3rd. Also he'll have pitched the last 3 months of the season out of the pen, is arm strength gonna be a problem? Which brings me to this. Does the Missile start out in triple A or does he start out in the Cincy rotation despit these factors?

09-02-2010, 09:13 AM	#2
DaytonFlyer Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 229	Re: Chapman as a starter He definitely needs a 3rd pitch if he is going to start.

09-02-2010, 09:24 AM	#5
mlh1981 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 857	Re: Chapman as a starter Follow the David Price plan.

09-02-2010, 09:26 AM	#6
Captain13 13 Belongs in Cooperstown Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 796	Re: Chapman as a starter In Louisville, it appeared he was throwing 4 pitches when he started. A superb fastball, clocking 98-101. A decent slider at 83-86. A bad changeup at 88-92 (hitters treated it like a batting practice fastball), and a slow curve that hitters feasted on. I watched him struggle with control of all 4 pitches and get beat like a drum in one of his last starts. If he can master either one of those other two pitches, he will be unhittable at any level. __________________ I still listen to Marty and Joe regardless of who is really in the booth.

09-02-2010, 10:19 AM	#7
PhillipsHead Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 245	Re: Chapman as a starter Randy Johnson only had two pitches...that worked out pretty good for him. And his slider looks eerily close to Johnson's...

09-02-2010, 10:27 AM	#8
Wiggidy Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 48	Re: Chapman as a starter Yeah, he only needs that fastball and slider.

09-02-2010, 10:28 AM	#9
Orodle Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 539	Re: Chapman as a starter Randy Johnson pretty much had two pitches most of his career so no doubt Chapman could do it. Johnson did add a 2 seamer later in his career though.

09-02-2010, 10:41 AM	#10
ThornWithin81 The Buckeye Bomber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 391	Re: Chapman as a starter You don't need three or more pitches when you have a fastball that breaks radar guns and a slider that hooks 90 degrees near the plate. Pitchers add pitches to their arsenal to deceive hitters via multiple looks. A guy who throws a 92mph fastball with little movement needs four or five pitches to keep hitters guessing. Otherwise they can sit on that fastball and crush it. Chapman's fastball is so blazing fast that hitters have to get started extra early. When the expected fastball turns out to be the hook... sit down, you're committed. He's thrown two innings and no one has made solid contact on anything. Strikeouts and easy choppers to infielders. No worries, yet. I think he could start with just his current arsenal. __________________ I hate the Cardinals. I hate the Cubs. Let's. Go. Reds. "Per Aspera Ad Astra"

09-02-2010, 11:08 AM	#12
Pony Boy Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cincy Posts: 351	Re: Chapman as a starter This is a pretty fun read on Chapman's 2nd outing: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/to...appearance.php

09-02-2010, 11:10 AM	#13
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Chapman as a starter He could probably be a good pitcher even with his 2 pitches right now. Most pitchers only throw their 3rd pitch something like 5% of the time, and at most 10%.

09-02-2010, 11:33 AM	#15
GIDP Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,419	Re: Chapman as a starter It all depends on how good the 2 pitches are. Plus plus fastballs and sliders are going to be better than a pitcher with 4 average pitches.

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