2011 40-Man Roster Construction

[HokieRed]

Originally Posted by JaxRed

I'd be stunned if Maloney isn't tendered. First of all, he's still got an option according to Brutus' site, if he's on the club he makes league minimum.

And he's a LH starter with a 3.57 ERA.

Agree. Also I see little to worry about on this list. Cozart and Frazier obviously will go on; it seems to me unlikely anyone else will be taken.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by JaxRed

I'd be stunned if Maloney isn't tendered. First of all, he's still got an option according to Brutus' site, if he's on the club he makes league minimum.

And he's a LH starter with a 3.57 ERA.

I do think he will be tendered though just as another cheap insurance policy. I just think he is far more likely to end up gone than LeCure if for some reason one of them needed to be gone. Like clearing a spot for someone else.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by HokieRed

Agree. Also I see little to worry about on this list. Cozart and Frazier obviously will go on; it seems to me unlikely anyone else will be taken.

It may still depend on how some guys do in the AFL. I know there is a list here somewhere does anyone know which thread it's in?

Disregard I found the list.....OF Sappelt, IF Negron, C Mesoraco, LHP Valiquette, LHP Horst, RHP Avery all have a shot at cracking the 40.

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

It may still depend on how some guys do in the AFL. I know there is a list here somewhere does anyone know which thread it's in?

Disregard I found the list.....OF Sappelt, IF Negron, C Mesoraco, LHP Valiquette, LHP Horst, RHP Avery all have a shot at cracking the 40.

Sapp and Mes no, they're not eligible for the Rule V so they won't put them unless they have to. Vall is already on it. Avery is going mostly to get innings in. So out of the AZL team, the only ones who are "proving" they deserve a spot really are Negs and Horst.

[camisadelgolf]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

Sapp and Mes no, they're not eligible for the Rule V so they won't put them unless they have to. Vall is already on it. Avery is going mostly to get innings in. So out of the AZL team, the only ones who are "proving" they deserve a spot really are Negs and Horst.

Mesoraco is (barely) eligible for the rule five draft. Had he signed a few days earlier than he did, he wouldn't be eligible until next year.

[mth123]

The Reds need to find 8 spots for Jose Arredondo, Jordan Hotchkiss, Jeremy Horst, Matt Klinker, Devin Mesoraco, Zach Cozart, Kris Negron, Todd Frazier. If they find extra spots then Wlad Balentien and Danny Dorn have outside chances.

Possible Spots Opening (12): Aaron Harang, Corky Miller, Jim Edmonds, Miguel Cairo, Orlando Cabrera, Laynce Nix, Willie Bloomquist, Arthur Rhodes??? Ramon Hernandez??? Bronson Arroyo??? Jared Burton??? Johnny Gomes???

I'd guess Ramon, Arroyo and Gomes will be back. Not sure if Rhodes will be extended or if Burton will be tendered a contract.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Mesoraco is (barely) eligible for the rule five draft. Had he signed a few days earlier than he did, he wouldn't be eligible until next year.

It doesn't matter when you sign. It only matters when your birthday is within the year that you sign (provided it's during the season and if it's during the offseason for international or undrafted free agents, then that season's Rule 5 meeting doesn't count against the player).

Mez isn't eligible this year.

From Major League Rules, ML Rule 5 (Players Subject to Selection)

(c) PLAYERS SUBJECT TO SELECTION. All players on the Minor League Reserve Lists of Major League and Minor League Clubs, except players on the Voluntarily Retired, Disqualified or Ineligible Lists, shall be subject to selection by other Major League Clubs at the Rule 5 Selection Meeting in accordance with the following:

(1) A player without previous Major or Minor League service who signs with a Major League or independent Minor League Club shall be subject to selection based on the following:

(A) if 18 years of age or under on the June 5 immediately preceding the player's signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fifth Rule 5 Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player's first Major or Minor League contract, unless Rule 5(c)(1)(C) applies;

(B) if 19 years of age or over on the June 5 immediately preceding the player's signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fourth Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player's first Major or Minor League contract, unless Rule 5(c)(1)(C) applies;

(C) if the signing date of a player’s first Major or Minor League contract is between

(i) the conclusion of the championship season for the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is assigned on such contract and
(ii) the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, then the player shall be deemed to have signed after the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, for purposes of this Rule 5(c)(1).

(2) A player who is re-signed by a Club within one year from the date the Club released the player or voided the player's contract pursuant to the terms of such contract shall be subject to draft at the Rule 5 Selection Meeting following the date of the latest contract with that Club.

(3) A player who has been subject to draft at a Rule 5 Selection Meeting shall be subject to draft at any subsequent Rule 5 Selection Meeting if the player is on a Minor League Reserve List (filed pursuant to Rule 2 (Player Limits and Reserve Lists)) at the time of the Rule 5 Selection Meeting.

(4) A player

(A) whose contract has been assigned outright by a Major League Club to a Minor League Club,

(B) who has been signed as a free agent to a Minor League Uniform Player Contract for services in the following year and is otherwise subject to selection pursuant to Rule 5(c)(1) or Rule 5(c)(2), or

(C) who has been released unconditionally from a Minor League roster and is otherwise subject to selection pursuant to Rule 5(c)(1) or Rule 5(c)(2),
shall be subject to selection at any subsequent Rule 5 Selection Meeting if the player is on a Minor League Reserve List (filed pursuant to Rule 2 (Player Limits and Reserve Lists)) at the time of the Rule 5 Selection Meeting.

(5) A Major League or independent Minor League Club may designate any player on one of its Minor League Reserve Lists to be subject to selection who otherwise would not be selectable under this Rule 5.

So Mesoraco will be eligible next season, but not yet. He was still 18 two weeks prior to his signing, so he gets that 5th season of protection before he's eligible. His Birthday is June 19, he signed June 22 of 2007 when he was 19, but only 18 on his birthday as of June 5, so he is eligible for the 5th rule 5 draft in December 2011.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by mth123

The Reds need to find 8 spots for Jose Arredondo, Jordan Hotchkiss, Jeremy Horst, Matt Klinker, Devin Mesoraco, Zach Cozart, Kris Negron, Todd Frazier. If they find extra spots then Wlad Balentien and Danny Dorn have outside chances.

Possible Spots Opening (12): Aaron Harang, Corky Miller, Jim Edmonds, Miguel Cairo, Orlando Cabrera, Laynce Nix, Willie Bloomquist, Arthur Rhodes??? Ramon Hernandez??? Bronson Arroyo??? Jared Burton??? Johnny Gomes???

I'd guess Ramon, Arroyo and Gomes will be back. Not sure if Rhodes will be extended or if Burton will be tendered a contract.

Arredondo is already on the 40-man. Mesoraco isn't Rule 5 eligible, so he can wait.

[corkedbat]

I expect Walt to be somewhat active this offseason and some 40-man spots may open due to 2-for-1, 3-for-2 deals, etc. Not sure how many will occur before the Rule V though.

[camisadelgolf]

Thanks, Brutus. I hadn't seen the rule five written that way before. Everywhere else, it's stated much more vaguely than that.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Thanks, Brutus. I hadn't seen the rule five written that way before. Everywhere else, it's stated much more vaguely than that.

Yeah it wasn't too long ago I had seen that for the first time myself. It's a part of the rule that I've hardly ever heard mentioned.

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Yeah it wasn't too long ago I had seen that for the first time myself. It's a part of the rule that I've hardly ever heard mentioned.

What rule? I am confused by the bolded part a few posts up.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

What rule? I am confused by the bolded part a few posts up.

Basically that you get to be left unprotected for five (5) Rule 5 drafts if you're 18 or younger when signed, and four (4) drafts if you're 19 or older. That's the part generally everyone knows about.

The bolded part, which is the subsection that applies to Mesoraco, clarifies that the date is not from when you actually sign (when Mesoraco had just turned 19), but rather the age the player was on June 5 (when he was still 18).

In other words, the Rule 5 eligibility for either 4 or 5 seasons is based on the birthdate of the preceding June 5 and not the actual signing date.

[cinreds21]

Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp

Basically that you get to be left unprotected for five (5) Rule 5 drafts if you're 18 or younger when signed, and four (4) drafts if you're 19 or older. That's the part generally everyone knows about.

The bolded part, which is the subsection that applies to Mesoraco, clarifies that the date is not from when you actually sign (when Mesoraco had just turned 19), but rather the age the player was on June 5 (when he was still 18).

In other words, the Rule 5 eligibility for either 4 or 5 seasons is based on the birthdate of the preceding June 5 and not the actual signing date.

Oh ok, I got ya, so If your'e younger than 19 before June 5th you get the extra year.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by cinreds21

Oh ok, I got ya, so If your'e younger than 19 before June 5th you get the extra year.

Basically, but it's the other way around.. if you turn 19 after June 5, then you get the extra year. If on June 5 you are already 19, then you have 4 years.