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flyer85 · 09-30-2010, 11:54 AM

per Hal McCoy

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/con...nid=dlh-093010

_Sir_Charles_ · 09-30-2010, 11:56 AM

Wow. I didn't think there was a chance of them doing this prior to the off season.

Good move though IMO. Despite all the Dusty-bashing that goes on here (and elsewhere), I think he's done a very nice job in his tenure.

Heath · 09-30-2010, 11:59 AM

I am going to sticky this "rumor" based on the knowings of Hal McCoy.

RedsManRick · 09-30-2010, 12:14 PM

I'm slowly coming around to the idea that the on-field part of the manager's influence is smaller than I've given it credit for in the past. Baker is and will continue to be a poor tactician, but you can't argue that guys love to play for him, that he's handled our young players well, and that he's gotten good performances from the team.

He's always going to drive me nuts with silly lineups, 1-run strategies, odd bullpen management, references to how the game was played in his day, and botched double switches, but I think I might be able to live with the guy. That's not easy for me to say consider how vociferously I reacted to his hiring. I guess winning will do weird things to you.

Chip R · 09-30-2010, 12:20 PM

Nice scoop by Hal if true.

lollipopcurve · 09-30-2010, 12:21 PM

Well deserved.

It's a performance-based business.

Joseph · 09-30-2010, 12:23 PM

Not surprising. Good for Dusty, and probably good for the Reds too based on the current make up of the team.

redsmetz · 09-30-2010, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

I'm slowly coming around to the idea that the on-field part of the manager's influence is smaller than I've given it credit for in the past. Baker is and will continue to be a poor tactician, but you can't argue that guys love to play for him, that he's handled our young players well, and that he's gotten good performances from the team.

He's always going to drive me nuts with silly lineups, 1-run strategies, odd bullpen management, references to how the game was played in his day and botched double switches, but I think I might be able to live with the guy. That's not easy for me to say consider how vociferously I reacted to his hiring. I guess winning will do weird things to you.

It's about what I expected and I think it will be a good move. I think the game draws significant intricacies that go beyond only the stats and it's why we have this back and forth here. Someone like me who at times seems dismissive of Sabermetrics can't dismiss that there is value in the tool. Equally, there remains some sort of unmeasurable something that seems to help some teams be successful.

I've liked Baker pretty much from the start, even with some of his constantly same remarks. E.g. Hank Aaron. It reminds me of the schtick that Gary Burbank, the WLW radio guy (for out-of-towners) who would yammer on about getting picked up by Elvis while hitch-hiking in his hometown of Memphis and meeting Ann Margaret, etc. His crew would go into their manta, "Boring...".

But I like what Dusty's done a lot and and elated that after all these years, we'll have some longevity in the manager's seat.

kaldaniels · 09-30-2010, 12:41 PM

Is Hal guessing a little here?

bucksfan2 · 09-30-2010, 12:43 PM

It was well deserved and makes sense. You don't make the playoffs for the first time in 15 years and then go and find a new manager. Dusty is well compensated and I this playoff run has been fun for all the fans involved.

I hope it is only a 2 year contract. If the Reds continue to win I want Dusty at the helm during those years. However I just don't want to see an albatross of a contract that makes the Reds stagnant. Nothing is worse than seeing a team tank it but ownership sitting on its hands because the manager has a 3-4 year contract.

Bob Borkowski · 09-30-2010, 12:54 PM

I am pleased and I agree that 2 years would be better than 3 or more.

The tip-off for me that the team and Dusty were close to an agreement came during a quick post-game interview Tuesday night. Dusty said how much he 'loves this team and loves Cincinnati'. In other words, 'I'm stayin'.

Red in Chicago · 09-30-2010, 12:58 PM

this won't be popular, but ...sigh...

edabbs44 · 09-30-2010, 01:00 PM

Not in love with the guy but I have no issue with this. You gotta keep him at this point.

RichRed · 09-30-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edabbs44

Not in love with the guy but I have no issue with this. You gotta keep him at this point.

Yeah, I mean how do you NOT keep a manager that helps lead the team to its first playoff berth in 15 years? I'm in favor of it, even though I was not happy when Dusty was hired.

kaldaniels · 09-30-2010, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red in Chicago

this won't be popular, but ...sigh...

Maybe it won't be popular to you elite fans, but overall this will be very well received.

09-30-2010, 11:54 AM	#1
flyer85 He has the Evil Eye! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: south of the border Posts: 23,858	The Official Dusty Baker Contract Extension Thread per Hal McCoy http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/con...nid=dlh-093010 __________________ What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

09-30-2010, 11:56 AM	#2
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,378	Re: Baker to sign multi-year extension Wow. I didn't think there was a chance of them doing this prior to the off season. Good move though IMO. Despite all the Dusty-bashing that goes on here (and elsewhere), I think he's done a very nice job in his tenure. __________________

09-30-2010, 11:59 AM	#3
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Baker to sign multi-year extension I am going to sticky this "rumor" based on the knowings of Hal McCoy. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

09-30-2010, 12:14 PM	#4
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,917	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension I'm slowly coming around to the idea that the on-field part of the manager's influence is smaller than I've given it credit for in the past. Baker is and will continue to be a poor tactician, but you can't argue that guys love to play for him, that he's handled our young players well, and that he's gotten good performances from the team. He's always going to drive me nuts with silly lineups, 1-run strategies, odd bullpen management, references to how the game was played in his day, and botched double switches, but I think I might be able to live with the guy. That's not easy for me to say consider how vociferously I reacted to his hiring. I guess winning will do weird things to you. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 09-30-2010 at 01:08 PM.

09-30-2010, 12:20 PM	#5
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,221	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension Nice scoop by Hal if true. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

09-30-2010, 12:21 PM	#6
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,481	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension Well deserved. It's a performance-based business. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

09-30-2010, 12:23 PM	#7
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,122	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension Not surprising. Good for Dusty, and probably good for the Reds too based on the current make up of the team. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

09-30-2010, 12:41 PM	#9
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,330	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension Is Hal guessing a little here?

09-30-2010, 12:43 PM	#10
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,618	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension It was well deserved and makes sense. You don't make the playoffs for the first time in 15 years and then go and find a new manager. Dusty is well compensated and I this playoff run has been fun for all the fans involved. I hope it is only a 2 year contract. If the Reds continue to win I want Dusty at the helm during those years. However I just don't want to see an albatross of a contract that makes the Reds stagnant. Nothing is worse than seeing a team tank it but ownership sitting on its hands because the manager has a 3-4 year contract.

09-30-2010, 12:54 PM	#11
Bob Borkowski 6 months of heartbreak Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Aurora, IN Posts: 14,851	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension I am pleased and I agree that 2 years would be better than 3 or more. The tip-off for me that the team and Dusty were close to an agreement came during a quick post-game interview Tuesday night. Dusty said how much he 'loves this team and loves Cincinnati'. In other words, 'I'm stayin'.

09-30-2010, 12:58 PM	#12
Red in Chicago Oy Vey! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,248	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension this won't be popular, but ...sigh...

09-30-2010, 01:00 PM	#13
edabbs44 Box of Frogs Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 15,818	Re: Hal McCoy - Baker to sign multi-year extension Not in love with the guy but I have no issue with this. You gotta keep him at this point.

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