First Day of the Hot Stove- 3-Way Proposal

[Benihana]

Well, today is the first official day of the Reds offseason, so might as well fire up the Hot Stove and begin discussing ways to improve the club for next year. As per discussion in another thread, I think many of us believe the Reds will deal at least one starter to plug another hole this offseason. With that said here goes my first ridiculous 3-way trade proposal of the day:

Reds trade: Yonder Alonso, one of Leake/Cueto/Volquez/Bailey
Dodgers trade: Matt Kemp, James Loney, Kyle Russell
Rays trade: Reid Brignac

Reds get: Matt Kemp, Reid Brignac
Dodgers get: Yonder Alonso, one of Leake/Cueto/Volquez/Bailey
Rays get: James Loney, Kyle Russell

Reds plug big holes at LF and SS (or 2B if BP leaves after 2011 and Cozart or Janish emerge as everyday SS) while dealing from their two biggest surpluses (1B and SP)

Dodgers shed two huge underachieving disappointments and get younger and a big upgrade in their rotation

Rays trade from a surplus (MI) to get their replacement for FA-Carlos Pena as well as an OF prospect with the imminent departure of Carl Crawford

2011 Reds:

2B Phillips
SS Brignac
1B Votto
LF Kemp
RF Bruce
3B Rolen
CF Stubbs
C Hernanigan/Mesoraco

SP Arroyo
SP Wood
SP Cueto/Volquez/Bailey/Leake
SP Cueto/Volquez/Bailey/Leake
SP Cueto/Volquez/Bailey/Leake

Thoughts?

[edabbs44]

LA needs offense more than pitching, I think.

[camisadelgolf]

Yonder Alonso + Mike Leake + Chris Valaika for Josh Willingham + Drew Storen

[Homer Bailey]

I'm not seeing the Dodgers listening to anything like that.

And queue Doug saying Brignac is basically of equal value to Cozart

[Ghosts of 1990]

Alonso and Leake for Kemp makes too much sense for all parties involved.

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Yonder Alonso + Mike Leake + Chris Valaika for Josh Willingham + Drew Storen

That would be a disaster of biblical proportions.

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990

Alonso and Leake for Kemp makes too much sense for all parties involved.

I think Cincy would be buying high on a buy low guy.

[camisadelgolf]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

That would be a disaster of biblical proportions.

How do you really feel?

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

How do you really feel?

[edabbs44]

The guy who could be available and I would empty it for would be Greinke.

Volquez/Alonso/Heisey/minor leaguer for Greinke? If Aviles still can play SS, it might be nice to take a run at him as well.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

I'm not seeing the Dodgers listening to anything like that.

Um, why?

Alonso projects better than Loney at this point, and younger and cheaper. In fact, MLBTR posts Loney as a possible non-tender candidate today.

And Matt Kemp being on the block is well documented. If the Reds are talking about moving a guy like Leake, etc. EVERY team is listening to something like that, particularly for a guy who has fallen out of favor and is on the block.

[Redsfan320]

Yonder Alonso + Mike Leake + Chris Valaika for Josh Willingham + Drew Storen

Apparently, Storen is headed back to college.

320

[Homer Bailey]

Originally Posted by Benihana

Um, why?

Alonso projects better than Loney at this point, and younger and cheaper. In fact, MLBTR posts Loney as a possible non-tender candidate today.

And Matt Kemp being on the block is well documented. If the Reds are talking about moving a guy like Leake, etc. EVERY team is listening to something like that, particularly for a guy who has fallen out of favor and is on the block.

A move like that screams rebuilding, and is based around 2 unproven players. I'm not sure the league is nearly as high on a low-K pitcher like Leake, especially considering he actually walks a fair amount of hitters. Kemp is a year removed from being a 5 win player. I just don't think a move like that would send the right message to their fanbase.

[WVRed]

Actually I think that three way makes more sense if Alonso and Leake were headed to Tampa Bay. They are going to be the ones shedding salary in the offseason.

Wonder what the odds of getting Seattle to surrender King Felix are? With how much disarray the Mariners are in, they may just want to return to the drawing board and stack up on prospects.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

A move like that screams rebuilding, and is based around 2 unproven players. I'm not sure the league is nearly as high on a low-K pitcher like Leake, especially considering he actually walks a fair amount of hitters. Kemp is a year removed from being a 5 win player. I just don't think a move like that would send the right message to their fanbase.

The organization is in disarray, and if anything, now is when the Dodgers are going to be rebuilding. Regardless, I didn't say it had to be Leake- could be any of those four that get dealt, and one could argue that such a move would improve the Dodgers right now as well as in the future, especially given how low some people in that organization are on Kemp. I'd consider throwing in Heisey, Frazier or Francisco if it sealed the deal. The Reds with Kemp in LF would be favorites to repeat.