Free Agent Market For Shortstops - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

savafan · 10-17-2010, 07:37 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/1...hortstops.html

OnBaseMachine · 10-17-2010, 07:52 PM

I would love to see the Reds acquire J.J. Hardy. He's an above average defensive shortstop and has a career .746 OPS, though it's tailed off the last two years. Get him out of Target Field and into the smaller GABP and he would probably hit 15-20 homers and OPS .750. He could probably be had for a reasonable price too...

reds44 · 10-17-2010, 07:56 PM

Anybody know what the defensive metrics say about Uribe? I could see GABP giving his power numbers a huge spike.

Mario-Rijo · 10-17-2010, 08:00 PM

Bartlett is the one I'd like to see sought after. He is a potential top of the lineup guy even though this past season wasn't a good one and by far the best defender of the bunch. I'm guessing the Reds would rather retain OCab than trade for Bartlett and his additional 2 mill but if we were to go after one he'd be my target.

Brutus · 10-17-2010, 08:01 PM

I had a dream last night the Reds signed Uribe. Don't ask me why. I don't even know why I'd dream about such a thing. Random, I realize, but thought I'd pass that along.

RedsManRick · 10-17-2010, 08:02 PM

Uribe is around average defensively. Personally, I have no interest in the Reds signing a free agent with a .300 career OBP -- though I'd take Uribe over Cabrera.

Superdude · 10-17-2010, 08:18 PM

Hardy sounds interesting. Pretty impressive between '07 and '08. Not sure why his numbers have been down the past few years, but he seems way too young to be tailing off like that.

mth123 · 10-17-2010, 08:40 PM

I'd be ok with Hardy or Uribe on a reasonable deal, but with Cozart and Janish, I'd be happy with a third option who can hit LH and maybe play a little 2B and 3B added to the mix. I and many others have floated Reid Brignac's name before (and I still like that idea) but the Red Sox may have an extra SS lying around. Marco Scutaro is in the last year of a two year deal at $5 Million and after finally getting healthy Jed Lowrie put up a line of .287/.381/.526/.907 in 197 PAs. Lowrie can play SS, and spot at 2B and 3B, hits lefty and would seem to be obtainable. Not sure if the Reds match-up with the Sox needs and they probably would be more likely to deal Scutaro, but Boston may be a place to look.

Johnny Footstool · 10-17-2010, 09:23 PM

Uribe would be a good option for 2 years/$4 million per year if the Reds decided to bring in a free agent.

Hardy would probably be worth a 3 year deal at $3 million per year.

savafan · 10-17-2010, 09:27 PM

What about a Janish/Omar Vizquel platoon?

Joseph · 10-17-2010, 09:32 PM

I'd rather go in with Janish as the guy next year, spend the money on a bat for LF.

Jpup · 10-17-2010, 11:11 PM

Janish/Renteria?

Ron Madden · 10-17-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph

I'd rather go in with Janish as the guy next year, spend the money on a bat for LF.

Ditto.

WebScorpion · 10-18-2010, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph

I'd rather go in with Janish as the guy next year, spend the money on a bat for LF.

We just need a decent backup in case he misses any time. I guess we could lean on Valaika, but I wouldn't want him in there for any long stretches. I don't think Cozart is quite ready, so I'd like to see them pick up a backup somewhere.

I agree that the spot with the most potential for improvement through FA is left Field.

lollipopcurve · 10-18-2010, 09:04 AM

Unless it's a significant upgrade, like Stephen Drew, let Janish and Cozart compete in ST. The team is going to have to continue to try to develop players from within, and SS is a spot where they can do that in 2011 -- if the choice is between the homegrown guy and a middling vet on a short-term deal.

The idea is that if the homegrown guy proves to be a player, you've got a budget-friendly solution for a few years. Not the kind of thing you want to be doing at multiple positions every year, but one spot a year, if the system has produced the possibility, is a healthy approach for an organization like the Reds. Last year was CF. They showed patience with Stubbs, and now look -- they don't have to worry about it for a while. It won't always work, but they have to try nonetheless.

10-17-2010, 07:37 PM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Free Agent Market For Shortstops http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/1...hortstops.html __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

10-17-2010, 07:52 PM	#2
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops I would love to see the Reds acquire J.J. Hardy. He's an above average defensive shortstop and has a career .746 OPS, though it's tailed off the last two years. Get him out of Target Field and into the smaller GABP and he would probably hit 15-20 homers and OPS .750. He could probably be had for a reasonable price too... __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

10-17-2010, 08:00 PM	#4
Mario-Rijo HOF CLASS OF '12 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Springfield, Ohio Posts: 8,994	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Bartlett is the one I'd like to see sought after. He is a potential top of the lineup guy even though this past season wasn't a good one and by far the best defender of the bunch. I'm guessing the Reds would rather retain OCab than trade for Bartlett and his additional 2 mill but if we were to go after one he'd be my target. __________________ 2008 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2009 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports 2010 Reds Draft Prospect RZ Scouting Reports "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." --Woody Hayes Last edited by Mario-Rijo; 10-17-2010 at 08:04 PM.

10-17-2010, 08:01 PM	#5
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,932	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops I had a dream last night the Reds signed Uribe. Don't ask me why. I don't even know why I'd dream about such a thing. Random, I realize, but thought I'd pass that along. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

10-17-2010, 08:02 PM	#6
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Uribe is around average defensively. Personally, I have no interest in the Reds signing a free agent with a .300 career OBP -- though I'd take Uribe over Cabrera. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

10-17-2010, 08:18 PM	#7
Superdude Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,431	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Hardy sounds interesting. Pretty impressive between '07 and '08. Not sure why his numbers have been down the past few years, but he seems way too young to be tailing off like that.

10-17-2010, 08:40 PM	#8
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,686	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops I'd be ok with Hardy or Uribe on a reasonable deal, but with Cozart and Janish, I'd be happy with a third option who can hit LH and maybe play a little 2B and 3B added to the mix. I and many others have floated Reid Brignac's name before (and I still like that idea) but the Red Sox may have an extra SS lying around. Marco Scutaro is in the last year of a two year deal at $5 Million and after finally getting healthy Jed Lowrie put up a line of .287/.381/.526/.907 in 197 PAs. Lowrie can play SS, and spot at 2B and 3B, hits lefty and would seem to be obtainable. Not sure if the Reds match-up with the Sox needs and they probably would be more likely to deal Scutaro, but Boston may be a place to look. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

10-17-2010, 09:23 PM	#9
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,665	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Uribe would be a good option for 2 years/$4 million per year if the Reds decided to bring in a free agent. Hardy would probably be worth a 3 year deal at $3 million per year. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

10-17-2010, 09:27 PM	#10
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops What about a Janish/Omar Vizquel platoon? __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

10-17-2010, 09:32 PM	#11
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,122	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops I'd rather go in with Janish as the guy next year, spend the money on a bat for LF. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

10-17-2010, 11:11 PM	#12
Jpup Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern KY Posts: 6,967	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Janish/Renteria? __________________ "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

10-18-2010, 09:04 AM	#15
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,483	Re: Free Agent Market For Shortstops Unless it's a significant upgrade, like Stephen Drew, let Janish and Cozart compete in ST. The team is going to have to continue to try to develop players from within, and SS is a spot where they can do that in 2011 -- if the choice is between the homegrown guy and a middling vet on a short-term deal. The idea is that if the homegrown guy proves to be a player, you've got a budget-friendly solution for a few years. Not the kind of thing you want to be doing at multiple positions every year, but one spot a year, if the system has produced the possibility, is a healthy approach for an organization like the Reds. Last year was CF. They showed patience with Stubbs, and now look -- they don't have to worry about it for a while. It won't always work, but they have to try nonetheless. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini Last edited by lollipopcurve; 10-18-2010 at 09:42 AM.

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