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757690 · 11-15-2010, 07:47 PM

1 Year $3M.

Seems too much to me, but it's not my money.

I see a big drop off from last season for Razor Ramon, and not even needed once Meseraco arrives.

Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernadez

Krawhitham · 11-15-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 757690

1 Year $3M.

Seems too much to me, but it's not my money.

I see a big drop off from last season for Razor Ramon, and not even needed once Meseraco arrives.

Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernadez

If Meseraco can hit in the majors, Razor will be traded in July just like Molina was this season to make room for Posey

davereds24 · 11-15-2010, 08:05 PM

Seems high to me too, but in reality 3M isn't much even for a backup these days. Hopefully Hanigan will get 4 of every 7 starts with Ramon getting the other 3.

DocRed · 11-15-2010, 08:07 PM

Basicaly agree.....Ramon was a great clutch hitter but even so, $3 million for a platoon catcher whose game calling is questionable is a bit much to me. I would have been ok with $2 million or so.

HalMorrisRules · 11-15-2010, 08:19 PM

Did you guys see the list of available catchers through free agency? It was pathetic and Ramon was near the top and would have been highly sought after. 3 million might actually be a good deal for a catcher this offseason.

Kingspoint · 11-15-2010, 08:21 PM

Needed to be done.

Glad to get it out of the way early.

Hanigan should get 3 out of 5 starts with Ramon getting 2 out of 5 starts.

Baker doesn't like to give any of these Catchers 3 games in a row. Schedule will dictate more of the platoon.

BLEEDS · 11-15-2010, 08:48 PM

DANG! Now I guess Hanigan can lead off and Hernandez can play 1B and we can move Alonso to LF full-time after we trade that greedy Votto for some awesome pitcher like Dan Qualls or Brandon Lyon...

SWEET!

/all of SunDeck circa 2010 projections for Hanigan and Alonso and Votto...

mroby85 · 11-15-2010, 08:58 PM

I don't hate this deal. Its only 1 year, and i'm not sure Hanigan can be an every day catcher without wearing down. It's a low risk deal in my opinion, and they were a solid combo this year.

Eric the Red · 11-15-2010, 09:30 PM

I'm fine with the deal. Hernandez has a good rapport with the latin pitchers and with more expected from Aroldis in 2011 hopefully Ramon can ease his progression. He also has a good approach at the plate and is able work the count fouling off pitches.

CySeymour · 11-15-2010, 10:38 PM

Not a bad move. The catching corp was good this year, and should be somewhat similar in 2011, or until Mes is ready to take Ramon's spot.

Vottomatic · 11-15-2010, 10:46 PM

Kinda shocked people are dissing this move.

The catching tandem of Hernandez/Hanigan is a very good thing. Keeps both of them fresh. I think everyone knows that if Mez steps up, this will be Hernandez's last season with the Reds. But he has been a valuable cog, along with Hanigan.

I expected this move and like this move for the short term.

Pete4prez · 11-15-2010, 11:12 PM

Thyis is a good sign, Ramon will be a good gate keeper untill Maesraco is ready.

TheBigLebowski · 11-16-2010, 12:27 AM

I see no downside. 3 MIL in this market for a good catcher is a steal. Mez is no sure-shot to be ready next year and, if he is, Razor is a very trade-able commodity at that price. No downside here.

Natty Redlocks · 11-16-2010, 12:51 AM

I see some downside:

Cordero

Hanigan 30.2 IP, 2.05 ERA
Hernandez 29.1 IP, 6.44 ERA
Miller 12.2 IP, 2.13 ERA

Masset

Hanigan 25.2 IP, 0.70 ERA
Hernandez 42.2 IP, 5.27 ERA
Miller 8.1 IP, 2.16 ERA

Ondrusek

Hanigan 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA
Hernandez 32.2 IP, 4.41 ERA
Miller 10.1 IP 0.87 ERA

Smith

Hanigan 10.2 IP, 2.53 ERA
Hernandez 20.1 IP, 4.43 ERA
Miller 11.0 IP, 3.27 ERA

Harang

Hanigan 42.0 IP, 4.07 ERA
Hernandez 56.2 IP, 6.99 ERA
Miller 13.0 IP, 2.08 ERA

Bailey

Hanigan 83.1 IP, 3.24 ERA
Hernandez 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA

Wood

Hanigan 33.1 IP, 2.43 ERA
Hernandez 51.2 IP, 4.35 ERA
Miller 17.2 IP, 3.06 ERA

Leake

Hanigan 20.1 IP, 5.31 ERA
Hernandez 103.2 IP, 3.99 ERA
Miller 14.1 IP, 4.40 ERA

Volquez

Hanigan 8.1 IP, 7.56 ERA
Hernandez 54.1 IP, 3.81 ERA

LeCure

Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA
Hernandez 29.2 IP, 5.46 ERA
Miller 7.1 IP, 4.91 ERA

Cueto

Hanigan 6.0 IP, 3.00 ERA
Hernandez 160.0 IP, 3.94 ERA
Miller 19.2 IP, 1.37 ERA

Arroyo

Hanigan 162.1 IP, 3.94 ERA
Hernandez 10.1 IP, 6.10 ERA
Miller 43.0 IP, 3.14 ERA

Rhodes

Hanigan 20.2 IP, 3.05 ERA
Hernandez 26.1 IP, 1.71 ERA
Miller 8.0 IP, 2.25 ERA

Owings

Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA
Hernandez 18.2 IP, 6.75 ERA
Miller 3.2 IP, 9.82 ERA

Bray

Hanigan 12.0 IP, 1.50 ERA
Hernandez 14.0 IP, 5.79 ERA
Miller 2.1 IP, 7.71 ERA

Herrera

Hanigan 5.0 IP, 1.80 ERA
Hernandez 13.0 IP, 4.85 ERA
Miller 5.0 IP, 3.60 ERA

Fisher

Hanigan 10.1 IP, 3.48 ERA
Hernandez 9.0 IP, 10.00 ERA
Miller 3.0 IP, 0.00 ERA

Chapman

Hanigan 5.1 IP, 0.00 ERA
Hernandez 7.0 IP, 3.86 ERA
Miller 1.0 IP, 0.00 ERA

Yes, this is simplified. But it's an unmistakable pattern: The Reds' pitchers are almost ALL significantly worse with Hernandez behind the plate. If he's the personal catcher for Cueto and Volquez and not much else, he's fine. And it would be nice if there was a way to keep him the hell away from all the relievers except for Rhodes. Seriously, the Reds would be better off without him, IMO.

Catcher's ERA

Hanigan 3.39
Hernandez 4.77
Miller 2.86

MBZags · 11-16-2010, 12:51 AM

Solid signing.

If Hernandez shows a remarkable decline and Mesoraco proves to be ready, the Reds can always DFA Hernandez without a huge loss. If Hernandez is decent, Mesoraco gets another year to polish his game. This is a good insurance move by the Reds.

11-15-2010, 07:47 PM	#1
757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,419	Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez 1 Year $3M. Seems too much to me, but it's not my money. I see a big drop off from last season for Razor Ramon, and not even needed once Meseraco arrives. Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernadez __________________ We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein

11-15-2010, 08:05 PM	#3
davereds24 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: mason Posts: 656	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Seems high to me too, but in reality 3M isn't much even for a backup these days. Hopefully Hanigan will get 4 of every 7 starts with Ramon getting the other 3.

11-15-2010, 08:07 PM	#4
DocRed Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,052	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Basicaly agree.....Ramon was a great clutch hitter but even so, $3 million for a platoon catcher whose game calling is questionable is a bit much to me. I would have been ok with $2 million or so.

11-15-2010, 08:19 PM	#5
HalMorrisRules He sure could hit Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dayton Posts: 702	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Did you guys see the list of available catchers through free agency? It was pathetic and Ramon was near the top and would have been highly sought after. 3 million might actually be a good deal for a catcher this offseason. __________________ Check out SimLeague Baseball!

11-15-2010, 08:21 PM	#6
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,954	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Needed to be done. Glad to get it out of the way early. Hanigan should get 3 out of 5 starts with Ramon getting 2 out of 5 starts. Baker doesn't like to give any of these Catchers 3 games in a row. Schedule will dictate more of the platoon.

11-15-2010, 08:48 PM	#7
BLEEDS Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 2,128	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez DANG! Now I guess Hanigan can lead off and Hernandez can play 1B and we can move Alonso to LF full-time after we trade that greedy Votto for some awesome pitcher like Dan Qualls or Brandon Lyon... SWEET! /all of SunDeck circa 2010 projections for Hanigan and Alonso and Votto... __________________ I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008 Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009

11-15-2010, 08:58 PM	#8
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez I don't hate this deal. Its only 1 year, and i'm not sure Hanigan can be an every day catcher without wearing down. It's a low risk deal in my opinion, and they were a solid combo this year.

11-15-2010, 09:30 PM	#9
Eric the Red Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 246	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez I'm fine with the deal. Hernandez has a good rapport with the latin pitchers and with more expected from Aroldis in 2011 hopefully Ramon can ease his progression. He also has a good approach at the plate and is able work the count fouling off pitches.

11-15-2010, 10:38 PM	#10
CySeymour .377 in 1905 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 1,538	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Not a bad move. The catching corp was good this year, and should be somewhat similar in 2011, or until Mes is ready to take Ramon's spot. __________________ ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

11-15-2010, 10:46 PM	#11
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,981	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Kinda shocked people are dissing this move. The catching tandem of Hernandez/Hanigan is a very good thing. Keeps both of them fresh. I think everyone knows that if Mez steps up, this will be Hernandez's last season with the Reds. But he has been a valuable cog, along with Hanigan. I expected this move and like this move for the short term. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-15-2010, 11:12 PM	#12
Pete4prez Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 110	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Thyis is a good sign, Ramon will be a good gate keeper untill Maesraco is ready.

11-16-2010, 12:27 AM	#13
TheBigLebowski Winning the Human Race Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Titletown, FL Posts: 3,819	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez I see no downside. 3 MIL in this market for a good catcher is a steal. Mez is no sure-shot to be ready next year and, if he is, Razor is a very trade-able commodity at that price. No downside here. __________________ Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

11-16-2010, 12:51 AM	#14
Natty Redlocks Recovering Cubs Fan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 711	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez I see some downside: Cordero Hanigan 30.2 IP, 2.05 ERA Hernandez 29.1 IP, 6.44 ERA Miller 12.2 IP, 2.13 ERA Masset Hanigan 25.2 IP, 0.70 ERA Hernandez 42.2 IP, 5.27 ERA Miller 8.1 IP, 2.16 ERA Ondrusek Hanigan 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA Hernandez 32.2 IP, 4.41 ERA Miller 10.1 IP 0.87 ERA Smith Hanigan 10.2 IP, 2.53 ERA Hernandez 20.1 IP, 4.43 ERA Miller 11.0 IP, 3.27 ERA Harang Hanigan 42.0 IP, 4.07 ERA Hernandez 56.2 IP, 6.99 ERA Miller 13.0 IP, 2.08 ERA Bailey Hanigan 83.1 IP, 3.24 ERA Hernandez 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA Wood Hanigan 33.1 IP, 2.43 ERA Hernandez 51.2 IP, 4.35 ERA Miller 17.2 IP, 3.06 ERA Leake Hanigan 20.1 IP, 5.31 ERA Hernandez 103.2 IP, 3.99 ERA Miller 14.1 IP, 4.40 ERA Volquez Hanigan 8.1 IP, 7.56 ERA Hernandez 54.1 IP, 3.81 ERA LeCure Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA Hernandez 29.2 IP, 5.46 ERA Miller 7.1 IP, 4.91 ERA Cueto Hanigan 6.0 IP, 3.00 ERA Hernandez 160.0 IP, 3.94 ERA Miller 19.2 IP, 1.37 ERA Arroyo Hanigan 162.1 IP, 3.94 ERA Hernandez 10.1 IP, 6.10 ERA Miller 43.0 IP, 3.14 ERA Rhodes Hanigan 20.2 IP, 3.05 ERA Hernandez 26.1 IP, 1.71 ERA Miller 8.0 IP, 2.25 ERA Owings Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA Hernandez 18.2 IP, 6.75 ERA Miller 3.2 IP, 9.82 ERA Bray Hanigan 12.0 IP, 1.50 ERA Hernandez 14.0 IP, 5.79 ERA Miller 2.1 IP, 7.71 ERA Herrera Hanigan 5.0 IP, 1.80 ERA Hernandez 13.0 IP, 4.85 ERA Miller 5.0 IP, 3.60 ERA Fisher Hanigan 10.1 IP, 3.48 ERA Hernandez 9.0 IP, 10.00 ERA Miller 3.0 IP, 0.00 ERA Chapman Hanigan 5.1 IP, 0.00 ERA Hernandez 7.0 IP, 3.86 ERA Miller 1.0 IP, 0.00 ERA Yes, this is simplified. But it's an unmistakable pattern: The Reds' pitchers are almost ALL significantly worse with Hernandez behind the plate. If he's the personal catcher for Cueto and Volquez and not much else, he's fine. And it would be nice if there was a way to keep him the hell away from all the relievers except for Rhodes. Seriously, the Reds would be better off without him, IMO. Catcher's ERA Hanigan 3.39 Hernandez 4.77 Miller 2.86 __________________ FIRE DUSTY Never mind. The man is clearly a genius.

11-16-2010, 12:51 AM	#15
MBZags Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 231	Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez Solid signing. If Hernandez shows a remarkable decline and Mesoraco proves to be ready, the Reds can always DFA Hernandez without a huge loss. If Hernandez is decent, Mesoraco gets another year to polish his game. This is a good insurance move by the Reds.

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