Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Danny Serafini · 12-06-2010, 10:05 AM

Gillick is the lone electee just announced by the veteran's committee. 12 of 16 votes were needed, he got 13. Marvin Miller just missed with 11, Concepcion was next with 8. No one else came close. I thought Steinbrenner would've had a good shot, apparently not. Here's the full story:

http://baseballhall.org/news/press-r...-era-committee

redsmetz · 12-06-2010, 10:21 AM

Was this Davey's last chance? Or can he be considered again?

GADawg · 12-06-2010, 10:24 AM

when they were introducing the committee...Bench, Perez, Robinson, Ozzie....I thought for sure Davey was gonna make it. Johnny needs to work on his lobbying skills

OnBaseMachine · 12-06-2010, 11:13 AM

So, Ozzie Smith is a first ballot Hall of Famer and yet Concepcion can't get in despite them being very similar players? It doesn't make any sense.

Mario-Rijo · 12-06-2010, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

So, Ozzie Smith is a first ballot Hall of Famer and yet Concepcion can't get in despite them being very similar players? It doesn't make any sense.

Fame....

OnBaseMachine · 12-06-2010, 11:15 AM

From John Fay:

Tony Perez, who is on the Veterans Committee, likes Concepcion's chances going forward. "He'll get in. His first year, he hot 50 percent."

http://twitter.com/johnfayman

RedsBaron · 12-06-2010, 11:18 AM

For the last decade or so the Veterans Committee has generally refused to induct any player while opening the doors of Copperstown wide to a variety of executives and managers. After inducting Bill Mazeroski in 2001 the only other MLB player selected by the Veterans Committee was Joe Gordon in 2008.
Meanwhile the Veterans Committee selected Barney Dreyfuss (owner of the Pirates in the early decades of the 20th Century), former Commissioner Bowie Kuhn

explode:

, Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley, and former managers Billy Southworth and Dick Williams in 2008, followed in 2010 by former umpire Doug Harvey and former manager Whitey Herzog.

chicoruiz · 12-06-2010, 11:33 AM

Crazy that Marvin Miller didn't get in...

George Anderson · 12-06-2010, 11:40 AM

I would be thrilled to see Davey enshrined in the HOF but it disturbs me that it is taking his buddies ( Bench, Perez, Robinson) to get in. I would feel the same if Tommy John was on the verge of getting in and the deciding voters were his his former teammates/buddies Reggie Jackson, Rich Gossage and Don Sutton.

I will do cartwheels if Davey gets in but I just wish it was a more legit process.

Unassisted · 12-06-2010, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsBaron

For the last decade or so the Veterans Committee has generally refused to induct any player while opening the doors of Copperstown wide to a variety of executives and managers. After inducting Bill Mazeroski in 2001 the only other MLB player selected by the Veterans Committee was Joe Gordon in 2008.
Meanwhile the Veterans Committee selected Barney Dreyfuss (owner of the Pirates in the early decades of the 20th Century), former Commissioner Bowie Kuhn

explode:

, Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley, and former managers Billy Southworth and Dick Williams in 2008, followed in 2010 by former umpire Doug Harvey and former manager Whitey Herzog.

Sounds like there are some strong personalities on the committee who either have very high standards for their peers or an inability to set aside their dislike for former opponents.

Roy Tucker · 12-06-2010, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

So, Ozzie Smith is a first ballot Hall of Famer and yet Concepcion can't get in despite them being very similar players? It doesn't make any sense.

Davey didn't do backflips and have a cool name.

Sea Ray · 12-07-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chicoruiz

Crazy that Marvin Miller didn't get in...

After reading his reaction, I hope he never gets in:

Quote:

"A long time ago, it became apparent that the Hall sought to bury me long before my time, as a metaphor for burying the union and eradicating its real influence. Its failure is exemplified by the fact that I and the union of players have received far more support, publicity and appreciation from countless fans, former players, writers, scholars, experts in labor management relations, than if the Hall had not embarked on its futile and fraudulent attempt to rewrite history. It is an amusing anomaly that the Hall of Fame has made me famous by keeping me out."

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/06/m...-hall-of-fame/

Tony Cloninger · 12-08-2010, 12:02 AM

The writers and most posters at baseball ref site...basically use WAR like the Holy Grail...so therefore, davey should never touch the Hall as Smith is clearly better, and so is The Scooter and The Rabbit.

Ron Madden · 12-08-2010, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

After reading his reaction, I hope he never gets in:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/06/m...-hall-of-fame/

Marvin Miller will go down as one of the most influential executives in MLB history. It really doesn't matter if we love him or hate him, he should be remembered in Cooperstown.

HokieRed · 12-08-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

Fame....

Trammell.

12-06-2010, 10:05 AM	#1
Danny Serafini 15 game winner Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sultanes de Monterrey Posts: 4,172	Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses Gillick is the lone electee just announced by the veteran's committee. 12 of 16 votes were needed, he got 13. Marvin Miller just missed with 11, Concepcion was next with 8. No one else came close. I thought Steinbrenner would've had a good shot, apparently not. Here's the full story: http://baseballhall.org/news/press-r...-era-committee

12-06-2010, 10:21 AM	#2
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12-06-2010, 10:24 AM	#3
GADawg Moderator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 1,070	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses when they were introducing the committee...Bench, Perez, Robinson, Ozzie....I thought for sure Davey was gonna make it. Johnny needs to work on his lobbying skills

12-06-2010, 11:13 AM	#4
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses So, Ozzie Smith is a first ballot Hall of Famer and yet Concepcion can't get in despite them being very similar players? It doesn't make any sense. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

12-06-2010, 11:15 AM	#6
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses From John Fay: Tony Perez, who is on the Veterans Committee, likes Concepcion's chances going forward. "He'll get in. His first year, he hot 50 percent." http://twitter.com/johnfayman __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

12-06-2010, 11:18 AM	#7
RedsBaron Big Red Machine Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Out Wayne Posts: 22,365	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses For the last decade or so the Veterans Committee has generally refused to induct any player while opening the doors of Copperstown wide to a variety of executives and managers. After inducting Bill Mazeroski in 2001 the only other MLB player selected by the Veterans Committee was Joe Gordon in 2008. Meanwhile the Veterans Committee selected Barney Dreyfuss (owner of the Pirates in the early decades of the 20th Century), former Commissioner Bowie Kuhn explode: , Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley, and former managers Billy Southworth and Dick Williams in 2008, followed in 2010 by former umpire Doug Harvey and former manager Whitey Herzog. __________________ "Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."

12-06-2010, 11:33 AM	#8
chicoruiz Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,662	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses Crazy that Marvin Miller didn't get in... __________________ "In baseball, you don't know nothin'"...Yogi Berra

12-06-2010, 11:40 AM	#9
George Anderson Beer is good!! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 4,116	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses I would be thrilled to see Davey enshrined in the HOF but it disturbs me that it is taking his buddies ( Bench, Perez, Robinson) to get in. I would feel the same if Tommy John was on the verge of getting in and the deciding voters were his his former teammates/buddies Reggie Jackson, Rich Gossage and Don Sutton. I will do cartwheels if Davey gets in but I just wish it was a more legit process. __________________ "Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard

12-08-2010, 12:02 AM	#13
Tony Cloninger Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,085	Re: Pat Gillick elected to HOF, Concepcion misses The writers and most posters at baseball ref site...basically use WAR like the Holy Grail...so therefore, davey should never touch the Hall as Smith is clearly better, and so is The Scooter and The Rabbit.

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