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Dan · 01-05-2011, 08:44 AM

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The Cubs are close to trading for Rays righty Matt Garza, reports Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.

klw · 01-05-2011, 12:15 PM

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10:53am: Major League sources tell David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com that the teams have discussed Garza, but other names have not been exchanged. Though the Cubs are willing to part with talent for the right-hander, the Rays would have to be overwhelmed to move him, Kaplan reports.

from www.mlbtraderumors.com

or not so close

LoganBuck · 01-05-2011, 02:35 PM

Seriously if the Cubs deal for him, with the slop that they have in their farm system I am going to be mad.

Razor Shines · 01-05-2011, 02:45 PM

I'm sure the Reds could trump a Cubs offer but maybe the Reds don't want to add him to the payroll. What's Garza going to get in arbitration this year, $5-6M??? I'd love for the Reds to get Garza and I'm sure the FO would also, maybe they just don't have the money?

PuffyPig · 01-05-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor Shines

I'm sure the Reds could trump a Cubs offer but maybe the Reds don't want to add him to the payroll. What's Garza going to get in arbitration this year, $5-6M??? I'd love for the Reds to get Garza and I'm sure the FO would also, maybe they just don't have the money?

He's getting expensive and trending down over the last few years.

His K rate is going down, he throws more FB's every year, his xFIP was 4.51 last year.

This just might be a case of the Rays trading a player at his peak of value.

He's an OK pitcher, but I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and what we already got.

Reds Freak · 01-05-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

He's getting expensive and trending down over the last few years.

His K rate is going down, he throws more FB's every year, his xFIP was 4.51 last year.

This just might be a case of the Rays trading a player at his peak of value.

He's an OK pitcher, but I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and what we already got.

He's a bit of a nut case too isn't he? Garza and Zambrano would make for an interesting combo...

Dan · 01-07-2011, 10:45 AM

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The Cubs are discussing a potential Matt Garza trade with the Rays, according to Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald. The Cubs are getting set to send Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee, Brandon Guyer and Robinson Chirinos to the Rays, according to Miles. There may be additional parts to the deal for each team, Miles reports.

Basically looks like Boxberger, Nigron, Sappelt, and Frazier for Garza+.

lollipopcurve · 01-07-2011, 10:55 AM

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Basically looks like Boxberger, Nigron, Sappelt, and Frazier for Garza+.

I have to think the Cubs package is quite a bit better. Using Baseball America rankings, you list 1 Reds top 10 guy -- Frazier at #9. Cubs package includes their #1, #4 and #10.

Edd Roush · 01-07-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

I have to think the Cubs package is quite a bit better. Using Baseball America rankings, you list 1 Reds top 10 guy -- Frazier at #9. Cubs package includes their #1, #4 and #10.

Agreed. That looks like quite the haul. I think the Rays win that deal.

Homer Bailey · 01-07-2011, 11:31 AM

Man, the NL Central farm systems are going to be embarassing if this deal goes through.

Tommyjohn25 · 01-07-2011, 11:31 AM

The Cubs need a WHOLE lot more than Matt Garza to save their team. If they pull the trigger on that they just set themselves back even further, IMO. Fine with me.

Redsfan320 · 01-07-2011, 01:02 PM

Now MLBTR saying that Fernando Perez (OF-TB) is also going to the Cubs.

320

redsfandan · 01-07-2011, 01:03 PM

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On November 28, 2007, the Rays traded (Delmon) Young, along with Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie, to the Minnesota Twins for Jason Bartlett, Matt Garza, and Eduardo Morlan.[14]

And now Tampa has traded away both Bartlett and Garza for a bunch of prospects. Two players that were about to be replaced anyway for alot of cheap players with potential to help down the road. For teams that don't have a lot of money to work with that makes alot of sense.

Will M · 01-07-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

I have to think the Cubs package is quite a bit better. Using Baseball America rankings, you list 1 Reds top 10 guy -- Frazier at #9. Cubs package includes their #1, #4 and #10.

However, how good is the Cubs system? Their #4 prospect could have a ceiling of a backup waterboy.

RedsManRick · 01-07-2011, 01:16 PM

Another NL Central team gives up a big package of prospects. At least Milwaukee got impact in return. Garza is a mid-rotation guy whom them Cubs didn't really need.

I really like how the Reds are positioned for the next 3-4 years.

01-05-2011, 02:35 PM	#3
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,584	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza Seriously if the Cubs deal for him, with the slop that they have in their farm system I am going to be mad. __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

01-07-2011, 11:31 AM	#11
Tommyjohn25 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fairborn, OH Posts: 1,839	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza The Cubs need a WHOLE lot more than Matt Garza to save their team. If they pull the trigger on that they just set themselves back even further, IMO. Fine with me. __________________ Benzinger backing and calling! And the 1990 world championship series belongs to the Cincinnati Reds!

01-07-2011, 01:02 PM	#12
Redsfan320 2 in 3 years! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oxford, OH Posts: 2,277	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza Now MLBTR saying that Fernando Perez (OF-TB) is also going to the Cubs. 320 __________________ I'd rather listen to Kelch read the phone book than suffer through Thom Brennaman's attempt to make every instance on the field the most important event since the discovery of manned space flight. -westofyou

01-07-2011, 01:16 PM	#15
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza Another NL Central team gives up a big package of prospects. At least Milwaukee got impact in return. Garza is a mid-rotation guy whom them Cubs didn't really need. I really like how the Reds are positioned for the next 3-4 years. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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01-05-2011, 02:45 PM	#4
Razor Shines Licking County Settlers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,174	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza I'm sure the Reds could trump a Cubs offer but maybe the Reds don't want to add him to the payroll. What's Garza going to get in arbitration this year, $5-6M??? I'd love for the Reds to get Garza and I'm sure the FO would also, maybe they just don't have the money? __________________ "three dimes, a one hundred dollar bill and and 87 ones..."

01-07-2011, 11:31 AM	#10
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,612	Re: Cubs close to trading for Matt Garza Man, the NL Central farm systems are going to be embarassing if this deal goes through.