Dusty lost faith...

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by The DARK

How do we know that there's not an injury concern here, especially if his control or velocity were off his last few outings? I'd be more worried about Chapman than bashing Dusty.

If there was an injury issue why did he get up in games and warm up and then sit down? Also isn't it the managers job to handle players?

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by lonewolf371

Because you don't develop control over night. Randy Johnson played in the big leagues for four full seasons before his walk rate got down to acceptable levels. You may get Randy Johnson production eventually, but it takes a lot of time to get there. Time that you may have guys like Votto, who may not be around when your Randy Johnson project reaches fruition.

Not if they keep delaying it. Get him down there NOW, let him work NOW, why wait till later?

[lonewolf371]

Originally Posted by brm7675

Not if they keep delaying it. Get him down there NOW, let him work NOW, why wait till later?

Because if he takes a year or two to develop control then he only helps the major league team with Votto in his prime for 1 or 0 years.

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by lonewolf371

Because if he takes a year or two to develop control then he only helps the major league team with Votto in his prime for 1 or 0 years.

he is not helping the team now, and why worry about votto's time, the concern should be devlopeing this kid.

[lonewolf371]

Originally Posted by brm7675

he is not helping the team now, and why worry about votto's time, the concern should be devlopeing this kid.

He's pitched 12.2 innings with an ERA of 2.13. He's currently tied for the team lead in holds. How is that not helping the team?

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by lonewolf371

He's pitched 12.2 innings with an ERA of 2.13. He's currently tied for the team lead in holds. How is that not helping the team?

Because Bray can do the same thing maybe even better.

[lonewolf371]

Originally Posted by brm7675

Because Bray can do the same thing maybe even better.

Bray can't pitch every night or every inning. Always better to have two good relievers than one.

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by lonewolf371

Bray can't pitch every night or every inning. Always better to have two good relievers than one.

We have Logan, we have Nick, soon to have Jose and others, again if our Bullpen sucked then maybe, but in the "best" interest of the "team" long term, he is better suited to be in Louisville pitching every 5th day and working on arm strength, durability and control.

[lonewolf371]

Originally Posted by brm7675

We have Logan, we have Nick, soon to have Jose and others, again if our Bullpen sucked then maybe, but in the "best" interest of the "team" long term, he is better suited to be in Louisville pitching every 5th day and working on arm strength, durability and control.

That might be true, but he's still definitely better than Logan, Nick, Bray, Jose, etc. He upgrades the bullpen. That's all I'm saying; there's logic behind it.

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by lonewolf371

That might be true, but he's still definitely better than Logan, Nick, Bray, Jose, etc. He upgrades the bullpen. That's all I'm saying; there's logic behind it.

Better then Logan, Nick, Bray? How? If he is better then why didn't he pitch this weekend, why instead did Dusty go to Logan, Nick and Bray over him? People are amazed by his speed, and don't grasp he is a thrower and not a pitcher. He needs work..

[RedsFanInBama]

Basing how we handle Chapman on Votto seems like a very bad idea. He's talented enough to be handled independently of any other player. If we hadn't freaked out last year he'd either be starting games for us right now or he'd be close to it.

[mroby85]

Bump lol

[RedsFanInBama]

What can we expect, really? The guy was trying to learn how to pitch and we took him away from that and said, "Come throw hard for us."

[Vottomatic]

Throwing 105 mph is one thing. Throwing 105 mph for strikes is another.

Send Chapman down. He needs to work on some things.