Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

[The DARK]

Ludwick was a regularly solid hitter in STL for many years, and would likely be upon leaving Petco. On the surface, this would be a great move. It clears the way in the outfield for Sappelt and Alonso next year, while giving us an immediate upgrade over Gomes and Lewis. Don't be skeptical that SD would take Heisey, either. He'd be cheap and under team control for many years, unlike Ludwick. As a rebuilding move, it works for them, and as a trade for a playoff push, it works for us.

I'm skeptical about signing a player that was on the Cardinals so close to the brawl, however. Bad blood and infighting is the last thing this team needs, regardless of how much Jocketty likes his former players.

[Redeye fly]

Originally Posted by Carolina Red

Hal McCoy should move to St. Louis. There is no way I would trade Heisey for Ludwick. Heisey just needs to play everyday. We need a shortstop that can hit and a true #1 pitcher much worse than we need Ludwick.

But the thing is for whatever the reason the Reds don't value Heisey enough to play him every day. So would you whether see Gomes or Lewis out there in LF, or Ryan Ludwick in LF? Heisey playing every day is simply not even a conceivable option right now in Cincinnati. Whether he should be or not, whether he deserves to be or not isn't even the issue. The issue is do you want the production Gomes and Lewis give you, or do you want the production Ludwick gives you at that position. Heisey for whatever the reason isn't in the equation as a regular.

I'd add too that anything you get out of Heisey is a regular is all speculation. There's been plenty who have speculated it would not be all that impressive based on his play when he does start. Although granted, that's such a small sample size that projecting much of anything from it is a tad ridiculous. But again just looking at it realistically, when you're talking about the probability of regular at bats among those 4 players, in that conversation you're talking Gomes, Lewis, and Ludwick, with Heisey very much on the outside. Of the first 3, it should be obvious that Ludwick is the best choice.

[Reds]

Merge threads and close, Walt said he hasn't discussed it with SD.

[5TimeWSChamps]

Originally Posted by The DARK

Ludwick was a regularly solid hitter in STL for many years, and would likely be upon leaving Petco. On the surface, this would be a great move. It clears the way in the outfield for Sappelt and Alonso next year, while giving us an immediate upgrade over Gomes and Lewis. Don't be skeptical that SD would take Heisey, either. He'd be cheap and under team control for many years, unlike Ludwick. As a rebuilding move, it works for them, and as a trade for a playoff push, it works for us.

I'm skeptical about signing a player that was on the Cardinals so close to the brawl, however. Bad blood and infighting is the last thing this team needs, regardless of how much Jocketty likes his former players.

Ludwick wasn't on that brawl team. they had already traded him to SD in the Westbrook trade IIRC

[Señor Rojo]

Originally Posted by The DARK

Ludwick was a regularly solid hitter in STL for many years, and would likely be upon leaving Petco. On the surface, this would be a great move. It clears the way in the outfield for Sappelt and Alonso next year, while giving us an immediate upgrade over Gomes and Lewis. Don't be skeptical that SD would take Heisey, either. He'd be cheap and under team control for many years, unlike Ludwick. As a rebuilding move, it works for them, and as a trade for a playoff push, it works for us.

I'm skeptical about signing a player that was on the Cardinals so close to the brawl, however. Bad blood and infighting is the last thing this team needs, regardless of how much Jocketty likes his former players.

Totally agree. The GM gives the manager the players that he can put on the scorecard everyday. For whatever reason, Dusty doesn't play Heisey on a regular basis unless it's for a double switch/defensive update substitution. Sappelt and Alonso are putting up quality stats in the minors that will eventually force Walt's hand at either deciding to call them up or trade them. We have a few seasons to assess what Gomes is capable of, so it might be time for a shakeup in LF.

I see this trade as a slight variation of the Dickerson trade from last season. The Reds give up a substitute outfielder that has potential (in Heisey's defense he is younger and better than Dickerson was at the trade time) for a former Cardinal. If it's not Heisey getting traded, it very well could be Sappelt or Alonso. It comes down to who Walt sees as the Reds future left fielder.

[berryluther]

Ludwick would be an upgrade in LF. heisey is not going to be a cornerstone to any deal for a pitcher or SS so I say do it.

[gedred69]

I thought StL traded away their shot for the Division title last year when they traded Ludwick, he was the "other" bat in that line-up. He'd fit here well I think as the bridge to Sappelt/Alonso next season.

[demas863]

If Heisey weren't such a good pinch hitter he'd be starting more often and we'd have a measure of just how good or bad he is. Could somebody please finish this post?

[Kiss the Baby00]

if we took Ludwick for Heisey I would cry. that is an awful trade idea. Hal McCoy shouldnt be in any HoF. The guy is not a good writer and has bad thoughts/opinions.

[brm7675]

Originally Posted by Kiss the Baby00

if we took Ludwick for Heisey I would cry. that is an awful trade idea. Hal McCoy shouldnt be in any HoF. The guy is not a good writer and has bad thoughts/opinions.

How is trading a non used 25th man on your roster for a player who could see game action and produce a bad trade?

[Pete4prez]

Heisey is all upside, he is full of potential, with Ludwick, he is a vetern and is as good as he is going to get. Dont trade Heisey.....play him.

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[brm7675]

Originally Posted by Pete4prez

Heisey is all upside, he is full of potential, with Ludwick, he is a vetern and is as good as he is going to get. Dont trade Heisey.....play him.

But we know Dusty won't, he has been every opportunity to play Chris and for whatever reason has decided that Chris is only a 25th man on the roster type of player.

[mu4103]

Originally Posted by Kiss the Baby00

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[Vottomatic]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...n-ludwick.html

Article today saying Reds have inquired about Ludwick.