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Old 07-05-2011, 08:46 PM   #1
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Paul Janish and Edinson Volquez

Paul Janish:
9 errors
.520 OPS

Edinson Volquez:
5.74 ERA

Meanwhile, in AAA:

Zack Cozart:
.316/.363/.478/.840

Dontrelle Willis:
75 IP
2.63 ERA
67 K/20 BB

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Old 07-05-2011, 08:49 PM   #2
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Re: Paul Janish and Edinson Volquez

Ladies and Gentlemen...your nightly whipping boy thread!
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:50 PM   #3
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No, no, no. Unlike Drew Stubbs or Jay Bruce, these guys are actually really bad at baseball and there are blatantly obvious replacements for them in AAA.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:53 PM   #4
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We're happy with what we have.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:54 PM   #5
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Re: Paul Janish and Edinson Volquez

Dontrelle Willis has also been "actually really bad at baseball" for the last four years, so he isn't quite the poster child for a frustrated fan looking for an answer. In fact, his recent MLB stats make Volquez a clearly better pitcher between the two (and Volquez hasn't exactly been stellar this year).
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:56 PM   #6
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Dontrelle Willis has also been "actually really bad at baseball" for the last four years, so he isn't quite the poster child for a frustrated fan looking for an answer. In fact, his recent MLB stats make Volquez a clearly better pitcher between the two (and Volquez hasn't exactly been stellar this year).
Sure he is. If he comes up and is bad too, then you move on to the next candidate.

He was good at one point and time, and nobody can take that away from him lol
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At the 87 game mark, this team is going to be below .500. Not sure I get the resistance to making changes. Even as one of the doubters of this team's ability to win the division as is, I never imagined they'd be below .500 this late in the season.
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No, no, no. Unlike Drew Stubbs or Jay Bruce, these guys are actually really bad at baseball and there are blatantly obvious replacements for them in AAA.
2010 Orlando Cabrera = 2011 Paul Janish.
2010 Paul Janish = 2011 Zack Cozart.
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Old 07-05-2011, 09:10 PM   #9
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Sure he is. If he comes up and is bad too, then you move on to the next candidate.

He was good at one point and time, and nobody can take that away from him lol

I have to agree with this.

There needs to be a message sent out: The Reds expect to win this year. If you don't perform, you will be replaced, and we will find someone who will do it.

I am fed up with Dusty's legendary loyalty to whoever holds the position. It is time to shake this team up, and make some serious perfromance based decisions. Otherwise, we are tolerating Mendoza line performances and losing.
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Re: Paul Janish and Edinson Volquez

Janish is fifth among all MLB shortstops in UZR/150 right now. I thought we were beyond using "errors" as the judge of defensive performance, but apparently not.

That said... his offense is woeful and it's giving back any strides he makes as a defensive player. So not suggesting he remain the starter. But if we're going to criticize, I think we should stick to the part of his game meriting the critique.
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Old 07-05-2011, 09:11 PM   #11
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2010 Orlando Cabrera = 2011 Paul Janish.
2010 Paul Janish = 2011 Zack Cozart.
That's not true. Paul Janish can't hit, won't hit, has never been able to hit, and is never going to be able to hit. Just because some people here were wrong thinking Janish to hit means nothing when it comes to Zack Cozart.
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Ladies and Gentlemen...your nightly whipping boy thread!
You're usually the first to post this type of response in this type of thread.

Out of genuine curiosity: What exactly is it about the current makeup of this team that causes you to feel that criticism and frustration is unwarranted?

I too wish to watch the Reds with some sense of optimism in regards to the 2011 season.
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That's not true. Paul Janish can't hit, won't hit, has never been able to hit, and is never going to be able to hit. Just because some people here were wrong thinking Janish to hit means nothing when it comes to Zack Cozart.
It means maybe that, even when the "RZ smart money" is on a certain player, it might not mean squat in the end. If some were so wrong on janish, then why are they so right on Cozart?
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It means maybe that, even when the "RZ smart money" is on a certain player, it might not mean squat in the end. If some were so wrong on janish, then why are they so right on Cozart?
It has nothing to do with that. There was no reason to ever believe Janish was going to hit in the majors. Cozart, different story.

I don't care what redszone says.
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Honestly edabbs, do you not think it's time for Cozart?

If you don't, fine. If not, then you are arguing just to argue.
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