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Wonderful Monds · 07-21-2011, 06:37 PM

Let's say going off the rumors out there, what would you take that was available?

I really like that we're linked to both Ubaldo Jiminez and James Shields. Obviously in real life we'd only get one, but in my opinion, if we want to dominant, we should be seriously pursuing both of them. That's what Philly has done. The best teams need to have a lot of the best pitching.

I would probably do...

Yonder Alonso, Chris Heisey, Yasmani Grandal
For
James Shields

For Ubaldo I would go

Travis Wood, Edinson Volquez, Dave Sappelt, Billy Hamilton

I'm not sure if more would be needed. I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to give up Mesoraco at all. It would be nice to have a little something left in the pipeline.

Then to help out the lineup, I would go for

Juan Duran, Josh Smith, Donnie Joseph
For
Carlos Beltran

I would also like to get a reliever, but a true upgrade, not any of the names we've been linked to. A true hammer like Heath Bell. If we could expand the Colorado deal to include Huston Street, I would give up Yorman Rodriguez.

But I think those are good deals that would put us directly into WS contention and would keep us there for several years, as the only one we would lose after this year is Beltran.

webbbj · 07-21-2011, 06:51 PM

sit pat at the deadline is probably the best option. the team is good enough as is to win the division.

mu4103 · 07-21-2011, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webbbj

sit pat at the deadline is probably the best option. the team is good enough as is to win the division.

Where did that come from? The team is 4 games behind the Pirates.

mroby85 · 07-21-2011, 10:03 PM

I'd go hard after primarily Hunter Pence, and James Shields if that were at all possible.

Eric the Red · 07-21-2011, 10:09 PM

I would trade Johnny Gomes for whatever Atlanta wants to give. I would trade Yonder Alonso, Ryan Hanigan, Travis Wood and Daniel Corcino to Tampa Bay for James Shields. Then I would promote Devin Mesoraco.

LexRedsFan · 07-21-2011, 10:21 PM

In a vacuum, I would go for Hunter Pence.

But ultimately, we don't live in a vacuum and the price IMO will be way too high for Pence...and Shields/Jiminez gives us the best value in a trade.

FireDusty · 07-22-2011, 04:01 PM

I wouldn't trade anybody.

I would try and trade Gomes and Lewis. If I couldn't, I would release them both.

I would then call up Dave Sappelt & Yonder Alonzo to fill the void.

I would then release Edgar Renteria, bring Yanish up to be what he is...a backup SS.

As much as I like Cairo, come on...he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to be a coach. If he insist in wanting to play, I would arrange a trade, or give him his release. In his place, I would call up Todd Frazier.

As much as I like Scott Rolen, come on..he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to remain for the rest of the year and then ask him to retire.

That's for starters.

Stray · 07-22-2011, 04:09 PM

I heard Sappelt has really came back down to Earth recently, I don't follow our minor leagues much so not sure. Alonso is best suited as trade bait IMO.

I'd go for a bat behind Votto. Hunter Pence.

R_Webb18 · 07-22-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireDusty

I wouldn't trade anybody. i disagree with this

I would try and trade Gomes and Lewis. If I couldn't, I would release them both. i agree

I would then call up Dave Sappelt & Yonder Alonzo to fill the void. sure for dave s trade alonzo

I would then release Edgar Renteria, bring Yanish up to be what he is...a backup SS. agree

As much as I like Cairo, come on...he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to be a coach. If he insist in wanting to play, I would arrange a trade, or give him his release. In his place, I would call up Todd Frazier.
disagree wtf? obv hes not the future but whoever said he was? why bring up ppl at there young age 2 just sit.

As much as I like Scott Rolen, come on..he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to remain for the rest of the year and then ask him to retire.

not gonna happen
That's for starters.

brm7675 · 07-22-2011, 04:25 PM

I do what it takes to get Shields from TB, Pence from Houston and Jiminez from the Rockies. I see the Reds parting with Devin M, Yonder, Fraizer, Wood, Leake, Homer, Stubbs and maybe Chapman, but I do it.

Todd Gack · 07-22-2011, 04:40 PM

Trade Ramon, bring us Meso. to get ready for next year.

Bring up Alonso and while he'll play a horrible LF, at least get him AB's on the MLB level.

Trade CoCo and offer to pay his salary the rest of the year (you're already paying it, so it'll make his value much better). Put Ondrusek or Masset in closer role to see what they can do.

wlf WV · 07-22-2011, 04:44 PM

I go after Shields.We can't compete in the free agent market and we need a TOR starter.I don't sell the farm for rentals.You add now to compete in post season,which is highly unlikely for the Reds.We build for next year.I don't give up Mesoraco unless I sign Hernandez for next year,and I keep Volquez .Volquez has too much potential to give away.I hold him unless he becomes an important component of a deal.I would deal Mesoraco if he is the principal prospect involved and little else,that's the only scenario.Put out feelers for all the players I don't expect to use next year.

Vottomatic · 07-22-2011, 05:43 PM

1. Trade Hernandez to the Giants for their top pitching prospect, Surkamp. Bring up Mesoraco and tell other teams he's not longer a prospect but our main catcher, so he's not available.
2. Trade Alonso and Grandal for Shields.
3. Trade Wood & Bailey, Francisco, Valaika to Rockies for Jimenez
4. Trade Gomes to the Braves for PTBNL.
5. Trade Stubbs, EV, and Chapman for Matt Kemp.

Rotation:
Cueto
Jimenez
Shields
Leake
Arroyo

BO:
LF Sappelt
SS Cozart
1B Votto
CF Kemp
RF Bruce
2B Phillips
3B Rolen
C Hanoraco

World Series here we come!

brm7675 · 07-22-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vottomatic

1. Trade Hernandez to the Giants for their top pitching prospect, Surkamp. Bring up Mesoraco and tell other teams he's not longer a prospect but our main catcher, so he's not available.

Why would the Giants do that?

2. Trade Alonso and Grandal for Shields.

It will take way more for that, remove Grandal, insert Mesoraco and another prospect

3. Trade Wood & Bailey, Francisco, Valaika to Rockies for Jimenez

Again need more to get him, much more

4. Trade Gomes to the Braves for PTBNL.

if they are dumb enough to take him

5. Trade Stubbs, EV, and Chapman for Matt Kemp.

I would rather have Pence, and remove Chapman and insert Bailey and Stubbs for Pence

Rotation:
Cueto
Jimenez
Shields
Leake
Arroyo

BO:
LF Sappelt

No chance that kid is EVER a starter with the Reds, will struggle to be a 4th OF on this team
SS Cozart
1B Votto
CF Kemp
RF Bruce
2B Phillips
3B Rolen
C Hanoraco

World Series here we come!

Old NDN · 07-22-2011, 06:31 PM

I'd begin by putting Chapman in the rotation. Let him start to "stretch it out" here. If he goes 3-5 innings, it isn't a lot different than a bad start from one of the others. I would pull the trigger on Shields or Jimenez. Prospects can be replaced, you're not going to get the opportunity to add top shelf pitching very often, unless you have plenty of $$$ to buy you some. I'll take the good pitching over adding a bat. You'll win more games in the long run.

07-21-2011, 06:37 PM	#1
Wonderful Monds Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,522	If you had to improve the team how would you do it? Let's say going off the rumors out there, what would you take that was available? I really like that we're linked to both Ubaldo Jiminez and James Shields. Obviously in real life we'd only get one, but in my opinion, if we want to dominant, we should be seriously pursuing both of them. That's what Philly has done. The best teams need to have a lot of the best pitching. I would probably do... Yonder Alonso, Chris Heisey, Yasmani Grandal For James Shields For Ubaldo I would go Travis Wood, Edinson Volquez, Dave Sappelt, Billy Hamilton I'm not sure if more would be needed. I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to give up Mesoraco at all. It would be nice to have a little something left in the pipeline. Then to help out the lineup, I would go for Juan Duran, Josh Smith, Donnie Joseph For Carlos Beltran I would also like to get a reliever, but a true upgrade, not any of the names we've been linked to. A true hammer like Heath Bell. If we could expand the Colorado deal to include Huston Street, I would give up Yorman Rodriguez. But I think those are good deals that would put us directly into WS contention and would keep us there for several years, as the only one we would lose after this year is Beltran.

07-21-2011, 06:51 PM	#2
webbbj Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 861	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? sit pat at the deadline is probably the best option. the team is good enough as is to win the division.

07-21-2011, 10:03 PM	#4
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I'd go hard after primarily Hunter Pence, and James Shields if that were at all possible.

07-21-2011, 10:09 PM	#5
Eric the Red Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 246	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I would trade Johnny Gomes for whatever Atlanta wants to give. I would trade Yonder Alonso, Ryan Hanigan, Travis Wood and Daniel Corcino to Tampa Bay for James Shields. Then I would promote Devin Mesoraco.

07-21-2011, 10:21 PM	#6
LexRedsFan Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 395	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? In a vacuum, I would go for Hunter Pence. But ultimately, we don't live in a vacuum and the price IMO will be way too high for Pence...and Shields/Jiminez gives us the best value in a trade.

07-22-2011, 04:01 PM	#7
FireDusty Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dayton Posts: 297	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I wouldn't trade anybody. I would try and trade Gomes and Lewis. If I couldn't, I would release them both. I would then call up Dave Sappelt & Yonder Alonzo to fill the void. I would then release Edgar Renteria, bring Yanish up to be what he is...a backup SS. As much as I like Cairo, come on...he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to be a coach. If he insist in wanting to play, I would arrange a trade, or give him his release. In his place, I would call up Todd Frazier. As much as I like Scott Rolen, come on..he's not part of the future here. I would ask him to remain for the rest of the year and then ask him to retire. That's for starters.

07-22-2011, 04:09 PM	#8
Stray Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,774	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I heard Sappelt has really came back down to Earth recently, I don't follow our minor leagues much so not sure. Alonso is best suited as trade bait IMO. I'd go for a bat behind Votto. Hunter Pence.

07-22-2011, 04:25 PM	#10
brm7675 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,666	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I do what it takes to get Shields from TB, Pence from Houston and Jiminez from the Rockies. I see the Reds parting with Devin M, Yonder, Fraizer, Wood, Leake, Homer, Stubbs and maybe Chapman, but I do it.

07-22-2011, 04:40 PM	#11
Todd Gack Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,638	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? Trade Ramon, bring us Meso. to get ready for next year. Bring up Alonso and while he'll play a horrible LF, at least get him AB's on the MLB level. Trade CoCo and offer to pay his salary the rest of the year (you're already paying it, so it'll make his value much better). Put Ondrusek or Masset in closer role to see what they can do.

07-22-2011, 04:44 PM	#12
wlf WV Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: huntington,wv Posts: 545	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I go after Shields.We can't compete in the free agent market and we need a TOR starter.I don't sell the farm for rentals.You add now to compete in post season,which is highly unlikely for the Reds.We build for next year.I don't give up Mesoraco unless I sign Hernandez for next year,and I keep Volquez .Volquez has too much potential to give away.I hold him unless he becomes an important component of a deal.I would deal Mesoraco if he is the principal prospect involved and little else,that's the only scenario.Put out feelers for all the players I don't expect to use next year. __________________ May the Father and Son bless Lyle

07-22-2011, 05:43 PM	#13
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,976	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? 1. Trade Hernandez to the Giants for their top pitching prospect, Surkamp. Bring up Mesoraco and tell other teams he's not longer a prospect but our main catcher, so he's not available. 2. Trade Alonso and Grandal for Shields. 3. Trade Wood & Bailey, Francisco, Valaika to Rockies for Jimenez 4. Trade Gomes to the Braves for PTBNL. 5. Trade Stubbs, EV, and Chapman for Matt Kemp. Rotation: Cueto Jimenez Shields Leake Arroyo BO: LF Sappelt SS Cozart 1B Votto CF Kemp RF Bruce 2B Phillips 3B Rolen C Hanoraco World Series here we come! __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

07-22-2011, 06:31 PM	#15
Old NDN Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 603	Re: If you had to improve the team how would you do it? I'd begin by putting Chapman in the rotation. Let him start to "stretch it out" here. If he goes 3-5 innings, it isn't a lot different than a bad start from one of the others. I would pull the trigger on Shields or Jimenez. Prospects can be replaced, you're not going to get the opportunity to add top shelf pitching very often, unless you have plenty of $$$ to buy you some. I'll take the good pitching over adding a bat. You'll win more games in the long run.

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