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nemesis · 08-01-2011, 12:44 AM

HOT Pitchers July

Chapman - 15.1 IP 2 H 4 BB 25 K's 0.39 WHIP 1.17 ERA 1 SV .038 BAA

LeCure - 11.1 IP 7 H 3 BB 11 K's 0.88 WHIP 0.79 ERA .171 BAA

Cueto - 41.1 IP 31 H 13 BB 19 K's 1.09 WHIP 1.52 ERA .209 BAA

Arredondo - 9 IP 5 H 2 BB 7 K's 0.78 WHIP 3.00 ERA .171 BAA

NOT Pitchers July

Arroyo - 30.1 IP 39 H 8 BB 13 K's 1.55 WHIP 7.42 ERA .315 BAA 0 Wins

Bailey - 30.1 IP 36 H 11 BB 17 K's 1.55 WHIP 5.64 ERA .303 BAA

Masset - 11.1 IP 15 H 3 BB 8 K's 1.59 WHIP 3.97 ERA .326 BAA

CoCo - 10.1 IP 12 H 5 BB 7 K's 1.65 WHIP 6.10 ERA .293 BAA 3 BS

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HOT Batters July

Votto - .386/.550/.936 - 6 HR 18 RBI

Cairo - .377/.471/.848 - 2 HR 10 RBI

Lewis - .352/.426/.778 - 2 HR 7 RBI

Bruce - .363/.442/.805 - 3 HR 12 RBI - 15 BB 20 K

Stubbs - .361/.362/.723 - 2 HR 4 RBI

Renteria - .310/.429/.739 - 1 HR 8 RBI - 1 BB 12 K

Janish - .381/.389/.770 - 2 BB - 1 K

NOT Hitters July

Rolen - .229/.348/.577 - 1 HR 4 RBI

Hanigan - .333/.273/.610 - 0 HR 1 RBI

Heisey - .254/.406/.660 - 4 HR 9 RBI

Ron Madden · 08-01-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nemesis

HOT Pitchers July

Chapman - 15.1 IP 2 H 4 BB 25 K's 0.39 WHIP 1.17 ERA 1 SV .038 BAA

LeCure - 11.1 IP 7 H 3 BB 11 K's 0.88 WHIP 0.79 ERA .171 BAA

Cueto - 41.1 IP 31 H 13 BB 19 K's 1.09 WHIP 1.52 ERA .209 BAA

Arredondo - 9 IP 5 H 2 BB 7 K's 0.78 WHIP 3.00 ERA .171 BAA

NOT Pitchers July

Arroyo - 30.1 IP 39 H 8 BB 13 K's 1.55 WHIP 7.42 ERA .315 BAA 0 Wins

Bailey - 30.1 IP 36 H 11 BB 17 K's 1.55 WHIP 5.64 ERA .303 BAA

Masset - 11.1 IP 15 H 3 BB 8 K's 1.59 WHIP 3.97 ERA .326 BAA

CoCo - 10.1 IP 12 H 5 BB 7 K's 1.65 WHIP 6.10 ERA .293 BAA 3 BS

__________________________________________________ _____________

HOT Batters July

Votto - .386/.550/.936 - 6 HR 18 RBI

Cairo - .377/.471/.848 - 2 HR 10 RBI

Lewis - .352/.426/.778 - 2 HR 7 RBI

Bruce - .363/.442/.805 - 3 HR 12 RBI - 15 BB 20 K

Stubbs - .361/.362/.723 - 2 HR 4 RBI

Renteria - .310/.429/.739 - 1 HR 8 RBI - 1 BB 12 K

Janish - .381/.389/.770 - 2 BB - 1 K

NOT Hitters July

Rolen - .229/.348/.577 - 1 HR 4 RBI

Hanigan - .333/.273/.610 - 0 HR 1 RBI

Heisey - .254/.406/.660 - 4 HR 9 RBI

But all I've heard is that Jay Bruce has sucked since the month of May.

nemesis · 08-01-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Madden

But all I've heard is that Jay Bruce has sucked since the month of May.

Yep and Dunn was a Bum who only posted a .900 OPS in his years in Cincy.

3rd All Time behind:

1) Votto .955

2) Robinson .943

3) Dunn .900

4) Morgan .885

5) ED .877

4 out of the Top 5 was or will be run out of town.

Cincy fans throughout the decades are never happy with what they have. It's always the next guy...

BTW Bruce .808 - Lifetime

Better than Griffey, Rose, Parker, Bell, A.Boone, Sabo, O'Neil and a tick behind, Vinson, May, Larkin, Bench, Perez and Post as Reds.

AT 24. That's some pretty heavy hitters in Reds history.

kaldaniels · 08-01-2011, 01:20 AM

Stunned at Bruce's numbers for the month of July. Based on comments around here I thought he was slumping.

kaldaniels · 08-01-2011, 01:22 AM

Those numbers are not correct. Bruce hit .250 in July. Hanigan hit .227.

I'd start the whole thing over.

kaldaniels · 08-01-2011, 01:23 AM

I think the numbers listed may be OBP/SLG/OPS.

BA is the first part of a slash line, right?

nemesis · 08-01-2011, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

I think the numbers listed may be OBP/SLG/OPS.

BA is the first part of a slash line, right?

No. I go with the SABER slash of OBP+SLG% = OPS

BA plays into the OBP.

kaldaniels · 08-01-2011, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemesis

No. I go with the SABER slash of OBP+SLG% = OPS

BA plays into the OBP.

Fair enough. I'm used to the BA/OBP/SLG that fangraphs uses. The SABER slash seems redundant to me as you can just add the first 2 numbers together to get the 3rd. The more info you get the better if you are just using 3 numbers in my opinion.

Is there consensus on what slash line to use?

signalhome · 08-01-2011, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Fair enough. I'm used to the BA/OBP/SLG that fangraphs uses. The SABER slash seems redundant to me as you can just add the first 2 numbers together to get the 3rd. The more info you get the better if you are just using 3 numbers in my opinion.

Is there consensus on what slash line to use?

I've seen slash lines presented this way a few times, though yeah, more often than not it's BA/OBP/SLG. I'd say just go with BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, so you've covered all the bases.

Chapman's numbers in July are absolutely sick: 14.67 K/9, 2.35 BB/9, 6.25 K/BB, 47.6% GB%, 1.37 FIP, 1.05 xFIP. I know I'm just beating a dead horse by saying this, but the Reds have to get him in the rotation next year.

signalhome · 08-01-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nemesis

Bruce - .363/.442/.805 - 3 HR 12 RBI - 15 BB 20 K

That's a 14.7% BB%, 19.6% K%, and 0.75 BB/K for July. More of that, please.

OnBaseMachine · 08-01-2011, 01:31 PM

Chapman: Six baserunners in 15.1 innings with 25 K's. Sick. Just sick. He's been fun to watch since returning from the minors. Too bad he's not pitching 6+ innings every fifth day.

Arredondo has really come around too as expected. I love his stuff...he'll be a big part of next seasons bullpen.

Superdude · 08-01-2011, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Fair enough. I'm used to the BA/OBP/SLG that fangraphs uses. The SABER slash seems redundant to me as you can just add the first 2 numbers together to get the 3rd. The more info you get the better if you are just using 3 numbers in my opinion.

Is there consensus on what slash line to use?

I can't stand OBP/SLG/OPS. It throws me off and just isn't as useful. I was wondering how we even lost a game in July when I first saw this thread.

Rojo · 08-01-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Too bad he's not pitching 6+ innings every fifth day.

Maybe. But the flipside is getting to use him 3 times a week. This team has a woeful one-run record, worst in the league.

Tom Servo · 08-01-2011, 01:49 PM

I wish Dusty would use LeCure a bit more.

TRF · 08-01-2011, 02:57 PM

someone want to tell me when a .723 OPS suddenly made a player hot? That slash line for Stubbs might be better than Heisey's, but without context, like the fact that Stubbs had roughly 30 more AB's, One might think Stubbs was more productive than Heisey in July.

Which is simply not true.

08-01-2011, 12:44 AM	#1
nemesis Resident PED Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Washington, PA Posts: 1,366	Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) HOT Pitchers July Chapman - 15.1 IP 2 H 4 BB 25 K's 0.39 WHIP 1.17 ERA 1 SV .038 BAA LeCure - 11.1 IP 7 H 3 BB 11 K's 0.88 WHIP 0.79 ERA .171 BAA Cueto - 41.1 IP 31 H 13 BB 19 K's 1.09 WHIP 1.52 ERA .209 BAA Arredondo - 9 IP 5 H 2 BB 7 K's 0.78 WHIP 3.00 ERA .171 BAA NOT Pitchers July Arroyo - 30.1 IP 39 H 8 BB 13 K's 1.55 WHIP 7.42 ERA .315 BAA 0 Wins Bailey - 30.1 IP 36 H 11 BB 17 K's 1.55 WHIP 5.64 ERA .303 BAA Masset - 11.1 IP 15 H 3 BB 8 K's 1.59 WHIP 3.97 ERA .326 BAA CoCo - 10.1 IP 12 H 5 BB 7 K's 1.65 WHIP 6.10 ERA .293 BAA 3 BS __________________________________________________ _____________ HOT Batters July Votto - .386/.550/.936 - 6 HR 18 RBI Cairo - .377/.471/.848 - 2 HR 10 RBI Lewis - .352/.426/.778 - 2 HR 7 RBI Bruce - .363/.442/.805 - 3 HR 12 RBI - 15 BB 20 K Stubbs - .361/.362/.723 - 2 HR 4 RBI Renteria - .310/.429/.739 - 1 HR 8 RBI - 1 BB 12 K Janish - .381/.389/.770 - 2 BB - 1 K NOT Hitters July Rolen - .229/.348/.577 - 1 HR 4 RBI Hanigan - .333/.273/.610 - 0 HR 1 RBI Heisey - .254/.406/.660 - 4 HR 9 RBI __________________ If you can't be a good example... then you'll just have to be a horrible warning... Nothing tastes as good as being fit feels...

08-01-2011, 01:20 AM	#4
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,301	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) Stunned at Bruce's numbers for the month of July. Based on comments around here I thought he was slumping.

08-01-2011, 01:22 AM	#5
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,301	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) Those numbers are not correct. Bruce hit .250 in July. Hanigan hit .227. I'd start the whole thing over.

08-01-2011, 01:23 AM	#6
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,301	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) I think the numbers listed may be OBP/SLG/OPS. BA is the first part of a slash line, right? Last edited by kaldaniels; 08-01-2011 at 01:26 AM.

08-01-2011, 01:31 PM	#11
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,654	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) Chapman: Six baserunners in 15.1 innings with 25 K's. Sick. Just sick. He's been fun to watch since returning from the minors. Too bad he's not pitching 6+ innings every fifth day. Arredondo has really come around too as expected. I love his stuff...he'll be a big part of next seasons bullpen. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

08-01-2011, 01:49 PM	#14
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,382	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) I wish Dusty would use LeCure a bit more. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

08-01-2011, 02:57 PM	#15
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,669	Re: Hot - Not / Pitchers - Batters (July) someone want to tell me when a .723 OPS suddenly made a player hot? That slash line for Stubbs might be better than Heisey's, but without context, like the fact that Stubbs had roughly 30 more AB's, One might think Stubbs was more productive than Heisey in July. Which is simply not true. __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

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