P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

FireDusty · 08-06-2011, 05:54 PM

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...news|text|Reds

KYRedLeg · 08-06-2011, 06:10 PM

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It’s Baker’s job to get his players to play to their potential. They’ve missed by miles.
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This isn’t Baker’s fault, entirely. It is his problem.

Very good article.

webbbj · 08-06-2011, 06:11 PM

start chapman

LeDoux · 08-06-2011, 06:29 PM

I am starting to think Doc actually does watch more than the occasional Reds game. He summarizes the frustrations of many fans.

AWA85 · 08-06-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeDoux

I am starting to think Doc actually does watch more than the occasional Reds game. He summarizes the frustrations of many fans.

He could have written that article after reading Redszone's game thread from today!

Vottomatic · 08-06-2011, 07:56 PM

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You’d like to think this year would have brought some answers.

I agree with this statement. If they're not going to win the division, they should be searching for answers from within the farm system so they know what to upgrade in the offseason.

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Optimism says Bruce, Stubbs, Homer Bailey, Travis Wood and Chapman are buds waiting for the sun. Pessimism says they are who they are.

I've often wondered if Reds management and fans overvalues some of these guys. Sometimes certain players aren't a good fit for your team. And other unlikely players are a good fit.

AintlifeGrande · 08-06-2011, 08:18 PM

Doc has echoed about Chapman what I have been saying about him since day one.

powersackers · 08-06-2011, 09:59 PM

That blog post and most of the 24 comments are full of nothing but facts and great ideas. Thanks for sharing the link.

AintlifeGrande · 08-06-2011, 10:28 PM

Bout time somebody in the local press took issue with this team's management.

Roush's socks · 08-06-2011, 10:32 PM

This sums it up pretty good. At this point the Reds future has gone from great to questionable. The way they have handled Chapman is looking worse and worse.

Out of everything the most frustrating is that the Reds will probably have to move Votto eventually, because realistically they can't afford him. That is outrageous, when a small market team can't even hope to be able to keep their own homegrown talent. In the NBA and NFL small market teams are able to keep their superstars. Players may still choose to go to a bigger market anyway, but small market teams are able to offer the same amount of money. Lebron didn't go to Miami because of money, because Cleveland was offering a similar amount. That is because in the MLB there is a much greater disparity in team payroles. You have some teams like the Yankees outspending others my many times.

The Reds need to come up with a plan, make some moves, and use some of their young talent in the right ways. Wood should be traded, since he is a fly ball pitcher. Some team might want a chance at Volquez.

Krawhitham · 08-07-2011, 12:12 AM

We can not afford Votto in 2013 so trade him before 2012?

Sounds like Doc has given up on 2012 already

big boy · 08-07-2011, 12:53 AM

Not getting Chapman ready to start is a fail.

wabashfalcon · 08-07-2011, 01:47 AM

Add me to the group that wants stretch out Chapman.

Vottomatic · 08-07-2011, 09:34 AM

Chapman should be in triple A working on becoming a starter. Lousy management of this situation.

wabashfalcon · 08-07-2011, 02:32 PM

Think of our Rotation next year if we stretch out Chapman:

1. Cueto
2. Leake
3. Homer
4. Chapman
5. Arroyo/Wood/Dontrelle

That's sick.

08-06-2011, 05:54 PM	#1
FireDusty Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dayton Posts: 297	P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...news\|text\|Reds

08-06-2011, 06:11 PM	#3
webbbj Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 852	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head start chapman

08-06-2011, 06:29 PM	#4
LeDoux Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Knoxville Posts: 499	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head I am starting to think Doc actually does watch more than the occasional Reds game. He summarizes the frustrations of many fans.

08-06-2011, 08:18 PM	#7
AintlifeGrande The Smiling Side Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 416	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Doc has echoed about Chapman what I have been saying about him since day one. __________________ ROLL TIDE ROLL!!

08-06-2011, 09:59 PM	#8
powersackers Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 756	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head That blog post and most of the 24 comments are full of nothing but facts and great ideas. Thanks for sharing the link.

08-06-2011, 10:28 PM	#9
AintlifeGrande The Smiling Side Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 416	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Bout time somebody in the local press took issue with this team's management. __________________ ROLL TIDE ROLL!!

08-06-2011, 10:32 PM	#10
Roush's socks Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 346	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head This sums it up pretty good. At this point the Reds future has gone from great to questionable. The way they have handled Chapman is looking worse and worse. Out of everything the most frustrating is that the Reds will probably have to move Votto eventually, because realistically they can't afford him. That is outrageous, when a small market team can't even hope to be able to keep their own homegrown talent. In the NBA and NFL small market teams are able to keep their superstars. Players may still choose to go to a bigger market anyway, but small market teams are able to offer the same amount of money. Lebron didn't go to Miami because of money, because Cleveland was offering a similar amount. That is because in the MLB there is a much greater disparity in team payroles. You have some teams like the Yankees outspending others my many times. The Reds need to come up with a plan, make some moves, and use some of their young talent in the right ways. Wood should be traded, since he is a fly ball pitcher. Some team might want a chance at Volquez.

08-07-2011, 12:12 AM	#11
Krawhitham Retro-Gamer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,630	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head We can not afford Votto in 2013 so trade him before 2012? Sounds like Doc has given up on 2012 already

08-07-2011, 12:53 AM	#12
big boy Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cincinnati, oh usa Posts: 686	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Not getting Chapman ready to start is a fail.

08-07-2011, 01:47 AM	#13
wabashfalcon Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 49	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Add me to the group that wants stretch out Chapman.

08-07-2011, 09:34 AM	#14
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,732	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Chapman should be in triple A working on becoming a starter. Lousy management of this situation. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

08-07-2011, 02:32 PM	#15
wabashfalcon Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 49	Re: P_Doc HIts The Nail On The Head Think of our Rotation next year if we stretch out Chapman: 1. Cueto 2. Leake 3. Homer 4. Chapman 5. Arroyo/Wood/Dontrelle That's sick.

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