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ervinsm84 · 11-10-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

Thing is, I'm pretty sure we're going to have a pretty good understanding of what was and wasn't known in the near future. I'm sure former players will be interviewed and will be able to talk to whether or not it was a secret that Sandusky was a shady character or whether this comes as a complete shock to them.

There was a long interview that touched on this before the firing came down last night. She talked about how players had actively stopped going to Sanduskys golf fund raisers and just how much a lot of the higher up guys really knew. She does a great job of giving the context and culture that was prevalent at Penn State.

BobsBlitz.com ~ Kim Jones on Penn State's Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno Disgrace [Audio] - YouTube

Roy Tucker · 11-10-2011, 03:59 PM

Penn State ought to hire the PR firm that BP had during that big oil spill. Open the books completely and be completely transparent. Make sure the guilty are ferreted out and the the victims are tended to. Write a $100M check and say "OK, how can we use this to heal the wounds and make sure this doesn't happen again".

I don't think you can ever right these kinds of wrongs, but you can make a full and complete and earnest effort to atone. Because that's the only way Penn State is going to make it out of this dark tunnel.

redsfandan · 11-10-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by savafan

Let's be honest here and admit that everyone involved at Penn State knew what was going on with Sandusky. If you think about it, you almost have to think that there was knowledge or at least suspicion around the rest of the NCAA as well. Sandusky retired in his mid 50's, correct? And he was never offered another coaching job by any school? People had to know, wouldn't you say?

Didn't the interim head coach say today that he hadn't been aware of the allegations? Maybe he wasn't aware in 2002. I don't remember.

Razor Shines · 11-10-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

Thing is, I'm pretty sure we're going to have a pretty good understanding of what was and wasn't known in the near future. I'm sure former players will be interviewed and will be able to talk to whether or not it was a secret that Sandusky was a shady character or whether this comes as a complete shock to them.

From some of the interviews I've heard today it seems as if everyone around the community knew what he was. There was a dessert called "The Sandusky." It was an upside down ice cream cone with the two scoops on the bottom next to each other.

foxfire123 · 11-10-2011, 04:30 PM

Why does mcQueary still have a job? He should have been bounced out of there just as fast as they did JoeP. and he's lucky I'm not his mother or wife, because I'd have him by the throat demanding to know why he was such a coward that he walked away from that little boy without stopping it then and there. Run home and talk to daddy about it. What a man, that one!

Newport Red · 11-10-2011, 05:06 PM

Is not reporting evidence of a child rape a crime? All I see are a couple of perjury charges and nothing against Paterno, the GA or his dad.

traderumor · 11-10-2011, 05:10 PM

As I think of the "what would you do?" sympathetic responses, I come back to a compelling reason why they have reporting laws, so that people do not have to make a judgment call, the burden is not on them to decide if its wrong or "serious," but that they report to the proper authorities and let them investigate.

Listened to the Kim Jones interview, and just heard a sociological cult described. Closed societies almost never end well when law enforcement starts peeling back the veil. Sure does explain the students reaction. They are in a cult and really don't even realize it.

Hoosier Red · 11-10-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Newport Red

Is not reporting evidence of a child rape a crime? All I see are a couple of perjury charges and nothing against Paterno, the GA or his dad.

If it's not, I'm pretty sure it will be soon.

Roy Tucker · 11-10-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Newport Red

Is not reporting evidence of a child rape a crime? All I see are a couple of perjury charges and nothing against Paterno, the GA or his dad.

A lawyer takes a look at it...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...rno/index.html

Razor Shines · 11-10-2011, 06:16 PM

Another pure coincidence....McQuery was promoted in 2003. I guess we found out what is was worth to him to become unfireable at Penn State.

MilotheMayor · 11-10-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ervinsm84

There was a long interview that touched on this before the firing came down last night. She talked about how players had actively stopped going to Sanduskys golf fund raisers and just how much a lot of the higher up guys really knew. She does a great job of giving the context and culture that was prevalent at Penn State.

BobsBlitz.com ~ Kim Jones on Penn State's Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno Disgrace [Audio] - YouTube

Fantastic interview. Thanks for the link.

KronoRed · 11-10-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor Shines

Another pure coincidence....McQuery was promoted in 2003. I guess we found out what is was worth to him to become unfireable at Penn State.

Funny how that worked out.

The only possible reason I can think of that they haven't fired him yet is that unlike Joe who has plenty of cash to live on, this guy will never find another coaching job ever again.

savafan · 11-10-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

The only possible reason I can think of that they haven't fired him yet is that unlike Joe who has plenty of cash to live on, this guy will never find another coaching job ever again.

At this point in time, are we supposed to care about that?

KronoRed · 11-10-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by savafan

At this point in time, are we supposed to care about that?

Of course not.

savafan · 11-10-2011, 06:39 PM

1982 Sports Illustrated article on Sandusky that is somewhat disturbing knowing what we now know:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...85/1/index.htm

11-10-2011, 03:59 PM	#302
Roy Tucker Be the ball Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mason, OH Posts: 11,126	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State Penn State ought to hire the PR firm that BP had during that big oil spill. Open the books completely and be completely transparent. Make sure the guilty are ferreted out and the the victims are tended to. Write a $100M check and say "OK, how can we use this to heal the wounds and make sure this doesn't happen again". I don't think you can ever right these kinds of wrongs, but you can make a full and complete and earnest effort to atone. Because that's the only way Penn State is going to make it out of this dark tunnel. __________________ The motel of lost companions Waits with heated pool and bar

11-10-2011, 04:30 PM	#305
foxfire123 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hell, aka Eastern Missouri. Posts: 615	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State Why does mcQueary still have a job? He should have been bounced out of there just as fast as they did JoeP. and he's lucky I'm not his mother or wife, because I'd have him by the throat demanding to know why he was such a coward that he walked away from that little boy without stopping it then and there. Run home and talk to daddy about it. What a man, that one!

11-10-2011, 05:06 PM	#306
Newport Red Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: End of the bench Posts: 738	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State Is not reporting evidence of a child rape a crime? All I see are a couple of perjury charges and nothing against Paterno, the GA or his dad. __________________ "Hyperbole is the greatest thing ever" Redsland

11-10-2011, 05:10 PM	#307
traderumor Unsolicited Opinions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right Down Broadway Posts: 17,648	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State As I think of the "what would you do?" sympathetic responses, I come back to a compelling reason why they have reporting laws, so that people do not have to make a judgment call, the burden is not on them to decide if its wrong or "serious," but that they report to the proper authorities and let them investigate. Listened to the Kim Jones interview, and just heard a sociological cult described. Closed societies almost never end well when law enforcement starts peeling back the veil. Sure does explain the students reaction. They are in a cult and really don't even realize it. __________________ Can't win with 'em Can't win without 'em Last edited by traderumor; 11-10-2011 at 05:13 PM.

11-10-2011, 06:16 PM	#310
Razor Shines Licking County Settlers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,174	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State Another pure coincidence....McQuery was promoted in 2003. I guess we found out what is was worth to him to become unfireable at Penn State. __________________ "three dimes, a one hundred dollar bill and and 87 ones..."

11-10-2011, 06:39 PM	#315
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,485	Re: Incredible ugliness at Penn State 1982 Sports Illustrated article on Sandusky that is somewhat disturbing knowing what we now know: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...85/1/index.htm __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

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