The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Matt700wlw · 11-10-2011, 05:18 PM

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...r-free-agency/

Joseph · 11-10-2011, 05:24 PM

Welcome to last year?

camisadelgolf · 11-10-2011, 05:36 PM

I didn't read the article, but did he mention that getting a middle-of-the-order left fielder as the #1 priority again? I believe Jonny Gomes is a free agent, so that could work out.

Kc61 · 11-10-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph

Welcome to last year?

Not only last year. This is a perennial.

I think I can handle the Reds doing nothing until February, when they pick up a couple of free agents nobody else would sign.

I'm not sure I can handle the usual, "we came very close to a trade for [star player] but the other team preferred a different deal".

KronoRed · 11-10-2011, 06:18 PM

Stay the course.

dougdirt · 11-10-2011, 07:04 PM

Why must the Reds improve via free agency?

That isn't the only way the Reds can improve. In fact, I think its pretty much a given that the Reds will be better at shortstop and left field by default next year. Is Rolen going to be any healthier? If so, another upgraded position. Do Cueto and Bailey miss a combined 12 starts? If not, another upgrade. Is Arroyo done or was he hampered by the mono? If it was the mono, another upgrade.

The odds are pretty good that the Reds should be better in 2012 than in 2011 if they remain the same. I know that isn't good enough for some of you, but what else can they do? The money simply isn't there to work free agency or a lot of trades that people propose the Reds make.

lollipopcurve · 11-10-2011, 07:15 PM

Cespedes, please.

dougdirt · 11-10-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve

Cespedes, please.

Where is that money coming from?

Scrap Irony · 11-10-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

Why must the Reds improve via free agency?

That isn't the only way the Reds can improve. In fact, I think its pretty much a given that the Reds will be better at shortstop and left field by default next year. Is Rolen going to be any healthier? If so, another upgraded position. Do Cueto and Bailey miss a combined 12 starts? If not, another upgrade. Is Arroyo done or was he hampered by the mono? If it was the mono, another upgrade.

The odds are pretty good that the Reds should be better in 2012 than in 2011 if they remain the same. I know that isn't good enough for some of you, but what else can they do? The money simply isn't there to work free agency or a lot of trades that people propose the Reds make.

They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.

Matt700wlw · 11-10-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.

He's been "close" for a couple of years getting that trade done...

Vottomatic · 11-10-2011, 07:28 PM

Meanwhile, the Cardinals will re-sign Pujols and Berkman, and prepare to defend their title in strong fashion.

dougdirt · 11-10-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

They can also make trades, something Jocketty has already said he plans on attempting.

With a ton of AAA/cheap mlb players that could start, Jocketty has enough chips to make a splash, whether it be through player development, trades, or both.

I'm guessing Jocketty deals for at least one "upgrade" in the starting rotation and starts a couple rookies, perhaps three offensively.

Still have to be able to pay the players you trade for and the Reds don't have money to pay players that teams are going to actually trade (because teams don't trade cheap players who are good). So, how do you make those deals work out without taking on a very risky player in a deal or drastically over paying in your talent to get them to take on some salary of a player, who likely has some warts along with him or the other team wouldn't be trading him in the offseason?

Scrap Irony · 11-10-2011, 07:39 PM

My personal opinion is that you overpay a little because you're fairly close to being a playoff team. Dealing an extra B prospect for a cheaper player that can help this season-- all the while hoping that your other prospects pan out in the future-- seems to make the most sense here.

lollipopcurve · 11-10-2011, 07:52 PM

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Where is that money coming from?

Some reports have Cespedes getting Chapman money. Reds can easily do that kind of contract again. And depending what they want to do with Phillips and Votto, they can possibly go well over 30 on a multiyear deal. This is a very high ceiling RH middle of the order bat that they could lock down for several years -- where else you finding one?

Dan · 11-10-2011, 07:53 PM

The one FA I'd love to see the Reds sign this winter is Rick Ankiel. I think he'd make a great 4-5th outfielder. Some pop in the bat, and can play all three OF spots. And almost certainly wouldn't cost a lot.

Also, at this point, if they can re-sign Cordero for $5mil, they should do it. And offer Hernandez arbitration.

11-10-2011, 05:24 PM	#2
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,145	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread Welcome to last year? __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

11-10-2011, 05:36 PM	#3
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread I didn't read the article, but did he mention that getting a middle-of-the-order left fielder as the #1 priority again? I believe Jonny Gomes is a free agent, so that could work out. __________________ Get MLBtraderumors Reds updates on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-R...33794710005587 http://i.imgur.com/1bCKpaH.jpg

11-10-2011, 06:18 PM	#5
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,349	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread Stay the course. __________________ Go Gators!

11-10-2011, 07:04 PM	#6
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 31,108	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread Why must the Reds improve via free agency? That isn't the only way the Reds can improve. In fact, I think its pretty much a given that the Reds will be better at shortstop and left field by default next year. Is Rolen going to be any healthier? If so, another upgraded position. Do Cueto and Bailey miss a combined 12 starts? If not, another upgrade. Is Arroyo done or was he hampered by the mono? If it was the mono, another upgrade. The odds are pretty good that the Reds should be better in 2012 than in 2011 if they remain the same. I know that isn't good enough for some of you, but what else can they do? The money simply isn't there to work free agency or a lot of trades that people propose the Reds make. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

11-10-2011, 07:15 PM	#7
lollipopcurve Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shelburne Falls, MA Posts: 9,584	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread Cespedes, please. __________________ "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

11-10-2011, 05:18 PM	#1
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,149	The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...r-free-agency/ __________________ An excited shade of Red

11-10-2011, 07:28 PM	#11
Vottomatic All work and no play..... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 6,978	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread Meanwhile, the Cardinals will re-sign Pujols and Berkman, and prepare to defend their title in strong fashion. __________________ "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic. "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

11-10-2011, 07:39 PM	#13
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread My personal opinion is that you overpay a little because you're fairly close to being a playoff team. Dealing an extra B prospect for a cheaper player that can help this season-- all the while hoping that your other prospects pan out in the future-- seems to make the most sense here. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

11-10-2011, 07:53 PM	#15
Dan OlafTheBlack Join Date: May 2000 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 2,059	Re: The yearly Walt Jocketty says Reds won't be players in Free Agency thread The one FA I'd love to see the Reds sign this winter is Rick Ankiel. I think he'd make a great 4-5th outfielder. Some pop in the bat, and can play all three OF spots. And almost certainly wouldn't cost a lot. Also, at this point, if they can re-sign Cordero for $5mil, they should do it. And offer Hernandez arbitration. __________________ Genius\|Madness "Somebody will be bigger, stronger and faster than you, growing up," Griffey said with a shrug. "So why worry about it? As long as you don't let them outwork you, and you can look yourself in the mirror, then that's all you should worry about. Never worry about what somebody else is doing."

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