2011 Bengals Discussion Part II - Page 9 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Todd Gack · 11-21-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Somewhat unrelated, but when was the last time any NFL team had back-to-back drafts as successful as the Bengals' 2010 and 2011 drafts, especially without any extra picks?

Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham, Carlos Dunlap, Jordan Shipley and Geno Atkins?!? WOW.

I'm amazed at how many people complain about the weak 'blows' to the head of the QB's when its against their team but are begging for it when it's done against them. I'd like to see more consistency from NFL fans and hate all of them no matter if it was your team or not.

WVRed · 11-21-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan

And this bodes very well for the next two drafts, assuming the trend continues. It's ridiculous how stacked the Bengals are shaping up to be in 2012 and beyond.

I have a feeling the Bengals will blow any goodwill created by trading Carson Palmer by selecting Janoris Jenkins.

Just sayin'.

MWM · 11-22-2011, 01:42 PM

Seems quiet on the Carson Palmer front in here. Maybe he wasn't going to be awful for them afterall. I can't imagine Oakland fans are disappointed in the deal.

Hoosier Red · 11-22-2011, 02:54 PM

Fair enough MWM. He's been much better than I anticipated. Maybe the 1/2 year off refreshed him and getting into a situation where he was happier has helped motivate him. Still happier with the Bengals end of things though.

SeeinRed · 11-22-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

Seems quiet on the Carson Palmer front in here. Maybe he wasn't going to be awful for them afterall. I can't imagine Oakland fans are disappointed in the deal.

I obviously can't speak for every fan, but I haven't even really thought about Carson for the last few weeks. Dealing Carson provided the closure needed for most fans to focus on the team I believe. The Bengals are in the Playoff hunt and exceeding expectations by leaps and bounds. That is what has my interest now. I can't believe I am saying this, but it is a great time to be a Bengals fan IMO.

top6 · 11-22-2011, 03:14 PM

It may end up being a good deal for Oakland, but it was a phenomenal deal for the Bengals. It was pretty obvious Carson wasn't bluffing and was never going to play for them again. So, they basically got 1 first round pick and 1 first or second, but didn't have to actually give up anything.

That said, I'd rather the Bengals not make the playoffs than lose in the playoffs to the quitter. That would be awful to see a quitter be rewarded like that.

MWM · 11-22-2011, 03:39 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the deal and have gotten on the Dalton wagon. I'm happy to have him as the QB for the next several years. But there were a lot of people saying Carson wasn't any good anymore, especially after this first week and that this was a bad deal for Oakland and they were going to see very quickly.

I've always thought all the problems couldn't be on Carson, although he shared some of the blame. I didn't think Palmer went from being a borderline elite QB to forgetting how to be a good one altogether. I was a big believer that almost no QB could have been successful under Bratkowski the last few years. I thought if he was given a chance somewhere else he would show that he's still got plenty of skills. They haven't played world beaters yet, but to look as good as he has the last couple of weeks considering he's only had about a month, and that was mid-season, is impressive. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a resurgent Carson Palmer the next couple of years. I don't think he'll get back to 2005 levels, but I think he'll be closer to that than 2010.

Hap · 11-22-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

I don't think he'll (Palmer) get back to 2005 levels.....

Kimo von Oelhoffen made sure of that...............but [sarcasm] it wasn't on purpose [/sarcasm].

Benihana · 11-22-2011, 04:47 PM

Kyle Orton just got released by Denver.

Have to imagine Chicago and Houston will be all over him. The Raiders may have been too, had they not given up potentially TWO first round picks for Carson Palmer

dougdirt · 11-22-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Kyle Orton just got released by Denver.

Have to imagine Chicago and Houston will be all over him. The Raiders may have been too, had they not given up potentially TWO first round picks for Carson Palmer

That organization.... no one is sold on their current QB within the organization, so they cut the back up? Pure genius.

fearofpopvol1 · 11-22-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the deal and have gotten on the Dalton wagon. I'm happy to have him as the QB for the next several years. But there were a lot of people saying Carson wasn't any good anymore, especially after this first week and that this was a bad deal for Oakland and they were going to see very quickly.

I've always thought all the problems couldn't be on Carson, although he shared some of the blame. I didn't think Palmer went from being a borderline elite QB to forgetting how to be a good one altogether. I was a big believer that almost no QB could have been successful under Bratkowski the last few years. I thought if he was given a chance somewhere else he would show that he's still got plenty of skills. They haven't played world beaters yet, but to look as good as he has the last couple of weeks considering he's only had about a month, and that was mid-season, is impressive. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a resurgent Carson Palmer the next couple of years. I don't think he'll get back to 2005 levels, but I think he'll be closer to that than 2010.

I think it's far too early to proclaim much of anything. Has he looked "that good" as you put it? He's thrown more interceptions than touchdowns thus far. I'm not suggesting he can't be a good QB, but rather, it's just too early to tell.

MWM · 11-22-2011, 06:59 PM

Oh I'm not proclaiming him returned to his best. But there were those proclaiming very definitively that he was done, wasn't any good anymore, a bad QB. I think those were clearly immature. The guy was once a superb QB, and it wasn't that long ago. He didn't just forget how to do that.

CTA513 · 11-22-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

Seems quiet on the Carson Palmer front in here. Maybe he wasn't going to be awful for them afterall. I can't imagine Oakland fans are disappointed in the deal.

The trade demand might end up being the best thing for his elbow as it allowed him a lot more time to rest unlike in the past.

CTA513 · 11-22-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

I think it's far too early to proclaim much of anything. Has he looked "that good" as you put it? He's thrown more interceptions than touchdowns thus far. I'm not suggesting he can't be a good QB, but rather, it's just too early to tell.

His arm has looked at lot better in the highlights I've seen outside of the KC game in which he probably should have never played.
Not sure how long it will last, but I'm guessing the extra time off and playing in a warmer climate will help.

CTA513 · 11-22-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

Kyle Orton just got released by Denver.

Have to imagine Chicago and Houston will be all over him. The Raiders may have been too, had they not given up potentially TWO first round picks for Carson Palmer

The Raiders couldn't wait for the possibility of someone like Orton being released.
Boller is garbage and Pryor still has a way to go before he should even be considered at #2.
The Raiders have a ton of speed and if Palmers arm is healthy then hes a good fit for them since they like to run the ball and take shots deep.

11-22-2011, 01:42 PM	#123
MWM Pre-tty, pre-tty good!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,171	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II Seems quiet on the Carson Palmer front in here. Maybe he wasn't going to be awful for them afterall. I can't imagine Oakland fans are disappointed in the deal. __________________ Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

11-22-2011, 02:54 PM	#124
Hoosier Red Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 6,853	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II Fair enough MWM. He's been much better than I anticipated. Maybe the 1/2 year off refreshed him and getting into a situation where he was happier has helped motivate him. Still happier with the Bengals end of things though. __________________ When people say that I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to sports or writing, I think: Man, you should see me in the rest of my life. ---Joe Posnanski

11-22-2011, 03:14 PM	#126
top6 Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: cincinnati Posts: 1,637	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II It may end up being a good deal for Oakland, but it was a phenomenal deal for the Bengals. It was pretty obvious Carson wasn't bluffing and was never going to play for them again. So, they basically got 1 first round pick and 1 first or second, but didn't have to actually give up anything. That said, I'd rather the Bengals not make the playoffs than lose in the playoffs to the quitter. That would be awful to see a quitter be rewarded like that.

11-22-2011, 03:39 PM	#127
MWM Pre-tty, pre-tty good!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,171	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the deal and have gotten on the Dalton wagon. I'm happy to have him as the QB for the next several years. But there were a lot of people saying Carson wasn't any good anymore, especially after this first week and that this was a bad deal for Oakland and they were going to see very quickly. I've always thought all the problems couldn't be on Carson, although he shared some of the blame. I didn't think Palmer went from being a borderline elite QB to forgetting how to be a good one altogether. I was a big believer that almost no QB could have been successful under Bratkowski the last few years. I thought if he was given a chance somewhere else he would show that he's still got plenty of skills. They haven't played world beaters yet, but to look as good as he has the last couple of weeks considering he's only had about a month, and that was mid-season, is impressive. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a resurgent Carson Palmer the next couple of years. I don't think he'll get back to 2005 levels, but I think he'll be closer to that than 2010. __________________ Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

11-22-2011, 04:47 PM	#129
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,417	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II Kyle Orton just got released by Denver. Have to imagine Chicago and Houston will be all over him. The Raiders may have been too, had they not given up potentially TWO first round picks for Carson Palmer __________________ Go BLUE!!!

11-22-2011, 06:59 PM	#132
MWM Pre-tty, pre-tty good!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,171	Re: 2011 Bengals Discussion Part II Oh I'm not proclaiming him returned to his best. But there were those proclaiming very definitively that he was done, wasn't any good anymore, a bad QB. I think those were clearly immature. The guy was once a superb QB, and it wasn't that long ago. He didn't just forget how to do that. __________________ Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

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