who do you feel belongs in the Reds HOF?

[icehole3]

I'd like to see the nasty boys get inducted and Paul O'Neill

these are the guys who are in

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/cin/h.../directory.jsp

[icehole3]

I'm not a huge Dunn fan but I do think he should be im the Reds HOF when he's done

[cumberlandreds]

I was thinking about this over the weekend and looked up that website to see who was in. The Nasty Boys are way over due. Randy Myers, especially should be in. He should be next. If they wanted to do all three at once that would be fine with me too.

[oneupper]

The Nasty Boys would be good for 2015 - 25th anniversary of the 1990 championship.

[cumberlandreds]

Originally Posted by oneupper

The Nasty Boys would be good for 2015 - 25th anniversary of the 1990 championship.

I think they only induct on even numbered years. So 2014 is the next induction. I'm going to have to try to make that one. I would really like to go to one of these and meet some of these guys.

[redsmetz]

I thought I'd look back at some of the older eras of Reds history to see if there are any glaring omissions. I don't have much time at the moment, but the Reds HOF lets you sort the members by their debut year. I was struck by the leap from Ewell Blackwell to Joe Nuxhall. That's only a 4 year gap since Nuxy debuted at 15 years old in 1946. Nuxy is followed chronologically by Big Klu, who started in 1947.

Again, I haven't put a lot of time into this and I'd be interested to hear from those who are much better versed in the club's history than I am, but one name that surprised me was Elmer Riddle. I'm not certain he belongs, but he meets the criteria. He had two really good seasons (1941 & 1943) but his 1942 season was sandwiched between those. During that period, he went 47-26 with a 2.76 ERA. I have no idea what league average was during that period. Just glancing at his other stats viewed through today's lens, they don't look spectacular, but I don't know what the points of comparison are for that era either. In '41, he led the league in winning percentage, ERA (2.24) and ERA+ (160). In '43, he led in wins with 21. Obviously the 1942 thru 1944 seasons were the prime of the war years, so the competition was lessened.

As a Red, overall he was 52-34 with a 3.20 ERA over eight seasons, so outside of those three years, he was nothing to write home about.

I was also surprised when I was playing around with the sort features on the HOF site, only one pitcher from the 1919 club is in the Hall (Dolf Luque). That surprised me, but looking at that squad, really some of that year's pitchers had a career that year (Ruether and Salee), but one name that could be considered would be Hod Eller whose five seasons with all with the Reds with a 60-40 career.

I think in the end, neither should be there, but they were the only two names that surprised me given the sometimes low bar of the Reds hall.

Some of you other history specialists, what do you think?

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'd have to say no to O'Neil. He really didn't accomplish much in a Reds uniform. He got good after he donned the pinstripes.

And the Nasty Boys....you've got to look at them individually. All three in? Not so sure. Their Reds tenure wasn't exactly lengthy.

And Dunn...he's a lock.

~edit~ I went back and looked. Meyers was here for 2 seasons. Charlton for 5 seasons. Dibble for 6 seasons. And O'Neil, 8 seasons (really 6 though) and only one of those seasons did he top .800 ops. I might go for Charlton & Dibble, but I'd pass on the other 2 for sure. Even Charlton & Dibble are boarderline IMO.

[chicoruiz]

Parenthetically, which of the current Reds do you think will get in? Votto and Phillips, of course... Cueto and Bruce are on their way if they continue at their present level...Rolen and Arroyo are the tough calls in my book.

[cumberlandreds]

Looking at the requirements for the Reds HOF, Randy Myers is out. He only spent two years in a Reds uniform and the minimum requirement is three.
Rob Dibble had 88 saves as a Red. He's uh....well a flaky personality but he was a really good reliever for a few seasons. He should be in.
Charlton was a reliever and starter. He had about 29 saves and won 27 games as a Red. He's more iffy for sure. But considering he was part of that threesome he should be in.
Also I wouldn't mind if they gave a waiver on that three year requirement to put Myers in. That trio was awfully good for that one season and made them a World Champion.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by chicoruiz

Parenthetically, which of the current Reds do you think will get in? Votto and Phillips, of course... Cueto and Bruce are on their way if they continue at their present level...Rolen and Arroyo are the tough calls in my book.

I'd think all of the ones you named will probably make it in. Rolen I doubt though. Too short a stay. Bronson...I think he'll make it.

[oneupper]

Rolen is a no. Not long enough as a RED.
Juan Castro, on the other hand...

[cumberlandreds]

Originally Posted by oneupper

Rolen is a no. Not long enough as a RED.
Juan Castro, on the other hand...

If Juan Castro makes it then Darrel Chaney should too.

[redsmetz]

BTW, the Reds have been doing a very good job of drawing forward the Reds from the 1880's era. I think there are now five or six from those teams which were very good. I have asked the Reds when they're going to put the 1882 Championship season (our first league season, then in the American Association which is considered a major league).

For that matter, as an aside, I've asked them when they'll retire Edd Roush's "number" (he never had one) ala the Giants retiring the "numbers of Christy Mathewson and John McGraw.

[redsmetz]

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[Dan]

How about Gus Bell?