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Wonderful Monds · 01-14-2013, 05:39 PM

It's now been adopted as an official rule per deadspin.

News!

Always Red · 01-14-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds

It's now been adopted as an official rule per deadspin.

News!

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ts-for-angels/

It worked for the Angels both last year and in 2011.

Lefties can't do it, because it's a balk for them. That's the only reason i can see getting rid of it. Speed the game up? nah, there's a million other things they can do to speed the game.

BearcatShane · 01-14-2013, 05:54 PM

I've watched a ridiculous number of baseball games and I never saw this work one time.

Reds/Flyers Fan · 01-14-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BearcatShane

I've watched a ridiculous number of baseball games and I never saw this work one time.

I've heard Marty say when someone tries it that "that play hasn't worked since Abner Doubleday was a baby."

Always Red · 01-14-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BearcatShane

I've watched a ridiculous number of baseball games and I never saw this work one time.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=16893

Works about once a month, in 2012, per this BP article from last year.

What, next they do away with the hidden ball trick?

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-14-2013, 06:11 PM

Ah, the hidden ball trick. I haven't seen that one in a while. I always love seeing that baby work. Just so fun to watch. :O)

RedsfaninMT · 01-14-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Ah, the hidden ball trick. I haven't seen that one in a while. I always love seeing that baby work. Just so fun to watch. :O)

Ozzie Guillen getting nabbed twice. Classic stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLVH3sxZt0s

Hollcat · 01-15-2013, 07:28 AM

Seems to me you will see this play work about once a year. I don't see the necessity to change the rule. Why not concentrate on calling getting umps to call a consistent strike zone.
I dont understand why lefties could not do this move. Certainly would be more awkward but not impossible.
So pitchers can still fake to second or third but they can't then throw to first right? (on a fake to third)

Dan · 01-15-2013, 07:43 AM

Baserunners should be more aware now too. If the pitcher does fake to third, the runner should move slightly toward second or stay put, and try to draw the pitcher's throw to first. Balk.

cumberlandreds · 01-15-2013, 07:47 AM

The pitchers will just step off the rubber more and slow the game down that much more. At least with the fake to third there was the slightest chance someone could get picked off. Now what we will see is the pitcher stepping off the rubber and the umpire throwing his hands up for time. Whooopeee.........

RANDY IN INDY · 01-15-2013, 11:27 AM

I'm not sure why their panties are in such a wad about the play to change the rule.

bucksfan2 · 01-15-2013, 12:24 PM

In all the baseball I have watched I have never seen a pick off attempt at 3rd base. I have long wondered why no team has put that play one. Granted its a riskier move, if the ball gets away the run scores, but it seems like it would be the perfect base to attempt that. The runners often get a larger lead and don't pay attention to the pitcher as much. Especially in a situation where you have the 3b playing in, if you put a play on you may have a better chance at picking the runner off.

Big Klu · 01-17-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bucksfan2

In all the baseball I have watched I have never seen a pick off attempt at 3rd base. I have long wondered why no team has put that play one. Granted its a riskier move, if the ball gets away the run scores, but it seems like it would be the perfect base to attempt that. The runners often get a larger lead and don't pay attention to the pitcher as much. Especially in a situation where you have the 3b playing in, if you put a play on you may have a better chance at picking the runner off.

I remember a Reds-Cubs game at Wrigley Field a few years ago in which Carlos Zambrano attempted to pick off Eric Milton at 3B after Milton had tripled. Big Z threw it into the 15th row of box seats behind the Cubs dugout.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-17-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Klu

I remember a Reds-Cubs game at Wrigley Field a few years ago in which Carlos Zambrano attempted to pick off Eric Milton at 3B after Milton had tripled. Big Z threw it into the 15th row of box seats behind the Cubs dugout.

And somehow Milton still failed to score.

GADawg · 01-17-2013, 09:43 PM

glad they're addressing all the important issues....as for the lefty being at a disadvantage....don't they have a big enough advantage(overall)with the move to first?

01-14-2013, 05:54 PM	#3
BearcatShane Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cincinnati/Colerain Posts: 1,256	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. I've watched a ridiculous number of baseball games and I never saw this work one time. __________________ Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/ShaneHorning

01-14-2013, 06:11 PM	#6
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,651	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. Ah, the hidden ball trick. I haven't seen that one in a while. I always love seeing that baby work. Just so fun to watch. :O) __________________ “If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant’s life, she will choose to save the infant’s life without even considering if there is a man on base.” —Dave Barry

01-15-2013, 07:28 AM	#8
Hollcat Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: So. Cen. KY Posts: 1,109	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. Seems to me you will see this play work about once a year. I don't see the necessity to change the rule. Why not concentrate on calling getting umps to call a consistent strike zone. I dont understand why lefties could not do this move. Certainly would be more awkward but not impossible. So pitchers can still fake to second or third but they can't then throw to first right? (on a fake to third)

01-15-2013, 07:43 AM	#9
Dan OlafTheBlack Join Date: May 2000 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 2,058	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. Baserunners should be more aware now too. If the pitcher does fake to third, the runner should move slightly toward second or stay put, and try to draw the pitcher's throw to first. Balk. __________________ Genius\|Madness "Somebody will be bigger, stronger and faster than you, growing up," Griffey said with a shrug. "So why worry about it? As long as you don't let them outwork you, and you can look yourself in the mirror, then that's all you should worry about. Never worry about what somebody else is doing."

01-15-2013, 07:47 AM	#10
cumberlandreds Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sterling VA Posts: 7,981	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. The pitchers will just step off the rubber more and slow the game down that much more. At least with the fake to third there was the slightest chance someone could get picked off. Now what we will see is the pitcher stepping off the rubber and the umpire throwing his hands up for time. Whooopeee......... __________________ Reds Fan Since 1971

01-15-2013, 11:27 AM	#11
RANDY IN INDY Matt's Dad Join Date: May 2000 Location: Brownsburg, Indiana Posts: 14,543	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. I'm not sure why their panties are in such a wad about the play to change the rule. __________________ Talent is God Given: be humble. Fame is man given: be thankful. Conceit is self given: be careful. John Wooden

01-15-2013, 12:24 PM	#12
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,650	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. In all the baseball I have watched I have never seen a pick off attempt at 3rd base. I have long wondered why no team has put that play one. Granted its a riskier move, if the ball gets away the run scores, but it seems like it would be the perfect base to attempt that. The runners often get a larger lead and don't pay attention to the pitcher as much. Especially in a situation where you have the 3b playing in, if you put a play on you may have a better chance at picking the runner off.

01-17-2013, 09:43 PM	#15
GADawg Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 1,072	Re: Fake to third, throw to first move now a balk. glad they're addressing all the important issues....as for the lefty being at a disadvantage....don't they have a big enough advantage(overall)with the move to first?

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