Homer Bailey - what to do with him?

[Benihana]

I give Bailey 3 more starts. If he doesn't have at least 2 quality starts, he is out of the rotation, which he was lucky to make in the first place.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by nate

No, it doesn't mean that.

It means the run prevention unit allowed four funs.


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Just how did the "run prevention unit" -- other than Homer himself -- cause the four runs in the first inning tonight?

Homer allowed a walk and three homers.

Please explain how other members of the "run prevention unit" caused the four runs given up in inning one tonight. Thank you.

[OldRightHander]

Would this be a good place to insert the overused "marathon, not a sprint" line?

That was just plain brutal all around.

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by OldRightHander

Would this be a good place to insert the overused "marathon, not a sprint" line?

That was just plain brutal all around.

10 game spans, that's how I keep sanity. Enjoy the daily aspect of the game, but only evaluate about every 10 games. Keeps me off the anti-depressants

[OldRightHander]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Please explain how other members of the "run prevention unit" caused the four runs given up in inning one tonight. Thank you.

Nothing that couldn't have been prevented by a 9 foot tall outfielder with a 50" vertical.

[nate]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Just how did the "run prevention unit" -- other than Homer himself -- cause the four runs in the first inning tonight?

Homer allowed a walk and three homers.

Please explain how other members of the "run prevention unit" caused the four runs given up in inning one tonight. Thank you.

My point about ERA being a very noisy stat is made even more clearly by tonight's performance.

Peripherals and defense independent stats will measure Homer's night tonight much more negatively than ERA.

[BCubb2003]

It's the manager's fault for leaving him in too long.

[fearofpopvol1]

It's unbelievable how many overreactions there are here after ONE start in a young season.

I'm no Homer apologist. I think he can be successful if he's healthy, but he hasn't proven he can be. If he stinks up the joint for half the season, that's 1 thing. He hasn't done that yet.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

It's unbelievable how many overreactions there are here after ONE start in a young season.

I'm no Homer apologist. I think he can be successful if he's healthy, but he hasn't proven he can be. If he stinks up the joint for half the season, that's 1 thing. He hasn't done that yet.

I think it's a bit unfair to say people are overreacting to one start.

There was a healthy debate about Homer this spring. That debate was based on his historical numbers and his poor spring. Many folks, myself included, were and are skeptical that he can be a winning starting pitcher at this stage of his career. (My own concern is whether he has ever become fully healthy.)

Now, in his very first inning, he gets bombed. Three homers and four runs.

So folks are naturally unhappy and concerned. It's hard to be a ninety win team with ordinary (or worse) starting pitchers.

Of course, he will get more opportunities. But after the long debate about Homer, it was disheartening to see him begin the year reflecting previous issues with his pitching.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by dougdirt

Secondary stat of the night:

Homer Bailey went more than twice as long tonight as Chapman has ever gone in the Majors.

This has to be a joke, right? I don't even know how to respond to that. Lets dig up the corpse of Eric Milton, he's thrown longer in games than Chapman too.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Kc61

I think it's a bit unfair to say people are overreacting to one start.

There was a healthy debate about Homer this spring. That debate was based on his historical numbers and his poor spring. Many folks, myself included, were and are skeptical that he can be a winning starting pitcher at this stage of his career. (My own concern is whether he has ever become fully healthy.)

Now, in his very first inning, he gets bombed. Three homers and four runs.

So folks are naturally unhappy and concerned. It's hard to be a ninety win team with ordinary (or worse) starting pitchers.

Of course, he will get more opportunities. But after the long debate about Homer, it was disheartening to see him begin the year reflecting previous issues with his pitching.

Concerned. Disheartening.

I don't know that people take issue with those words. Sounds reasonable to me.

[SirFelixCat]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

It's unbelievable how many overreactions there are here after ONE start in a young season.

I'm no Homer apologist. I think he can be successful if he's healthy, but he hasn't proven he can be. If he stinks up the joint for half the season, that's 1 thing. He hasn't done that yet.

Agree.


Seriously, folks, chill the hell out.

[traderumor]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

It's unbelievable how many overreactions there are here after ONE start in a young season.

I'm no Homer apologist. I think he can be successful if he's healthy, but he hasn't proven he can be. If he stinks up the joint for half the season, that's 1 thing. He hasn't done that yet.

I expect him to continue doing what he's been doing. Hopefully Chapman bumps him and the charade ends when the bullpen is full strength. Cueto/Latos/Chapman/Leake/Arroyo can probably get it done. Throw Bailey in there for Chapman and suddenly you have a rotation with 2 marginal number 5's. I don't think that will be enough to overtake St. Louis and Milwaukee.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by SirFelixCat

Agree.


Seriously, folks, chill the hell out.

Here's a hypothetical question. You agree with a post saying that Homer should get half a season to prove himself.

What if Homer - or Arroyo for that matter - has say 7 bad starts in a row.

Would you still give each of them half a season?

Just testing your hypothesis.

[alexad]

After the first he pitched well. I was at the game and watched batting practice. The wind was actually blowing in during the Cards BP. Maybe 3 balls were hit out. The ball died in the wind. But no lie when the Cards batted the wind was actually blowing out. When the Reds came to bat in the bottoms of the first the flags were not moving.

Strange yes indeed.